help with stable door.

[johnboy]

The pub that I made the sales counter for in the projects section have asked me to make a stable door to partition off a private room in the restaurant. Simple enough except that the top section has to include a stained glass panel which will obviously cut through the "Z" brace. I plan to make it like the pic below and rely on the frame round the opening to transfer the load and prevent sagging. Is this the way to go or have I got it wrong (not for the first time


It will be made from softwood so not too heavy and stained black to match the beams to which it will be fitted.

TIA

John

[Keith]

I think you would be better off making a framed door, it's more stable and you won't need the brace.

An unframed stable door is going to look very rustic.

[jfc]

A framed door would be better , i think if you get any movement on that design its just going to push the window frame out of square .

[andy king]

I'd go along with that, and you can frame the window opening at the same time using barefaced tenons. Or biscuits/Dominos if its easier!

Andy

[dom]

If the door does not have a lobby and it's a newish build, I think you'll find that the glass will need to be clear or very nearly.

[joe]

You could make the window part larger and build it around the brace.
You would have 2 triangle glass parts, one above and one below.

[johnboy]

Rustic is what they want, it will match another door in the same bar area. The stained glass will be provided by the client so no choice of size either. The door will be open most of the time, just closed when a small (6 person max) private dinner party is held. Good point from Dom about clear glass, the door will open into the main part of the restaurant, I will talk to them about this. I think that if the frame round the glass is fairly substantial then it will be Ok.

Thanks for the help, more thought required.

John

[johnboy]

This is the opening the door will go in. Nice and square isn't it?



John

[dom]

John if the door opens into the bar area then the glass must be clear to allow anyone opening it to be sure not to knock another customer out.

[Scrit]

Another thought on glass - in this sort of environment it will need to be laminated, won't it? As to clear, the BCO (Building Control Officer) may well allow an opaque/frosted glazed panel so long as there is a clear section in the middle.

Scrit

[johnboy]

Thanks Dom and Scrit, the door will open towards the camera in the pic hinged on the left so it can be hooked to the wall most of the time. I will talk the them about a clear viewing panel. Not sure about laminated being required, in thought 6mm float was the requirement?

John

[andy king]

Hi Johnboy,

I think the regs have changed, I was told by a friend who runs a D/G company that you can't use float glass in any door, has to be toughened as a minimum. Not even sure if Georgian wired is acceptable now.
Also, any glass fitted to a window where the internal measurement is below 800mm from the floor (I'm pretty sure that's the height now) has to be a toughened unit as well.

Andy

[dom]

And... if it's to a kitchen it has to be Pyro

[oj]

Hi johnboy,
Remember that building regulations are guidance and a bare minimum for compliance. If you think that someone is likely to put their arm out to stop a door swinging towards them in a busy commercail environment, then you should fit a suitable pane of glass for the situation.
Cheers, OJ