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Post by Keith on Mar 24, 2008 18:24:47 GMT
I'm thinking of getting a new table saw with a budget of about £3000.
Currently I have a Scheppach TS2500 and I'm finding it a bit limited for cutting sheet goods.
I don't have the space for a full panel saw but I would like to be able to cut at least 4ft in front of the blade.
I like the Felder K500 but it comes out at over £4500 with all the extras.
Anyone got any recommendations for something suitable in my price bracket?
TIA
Keith
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Post by woodworker on Mar 24, 2008 20:54:36 GMT
Keith,
I doubt the 500 with it's longest slider will cut panels easily, I'm on a 2800mm and the sheets are just enough for it.
Have a look at the SCM range.
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Post by lynx on Mar 25, 2008 8:04:12 GMT
You could also get a couple of years old Robland Z3200 for that money, but you may have to add the dreaded VAT onto the budget.
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Post by Stree on Mar 25, 2008 9:56:23 GMT
Why not fit the 2 mtr beam to the 2500 in the meantime? I assume you have the 1.2m beam and this would go quick enough on ebay....Then take your time tracking down exactly what you can get for your budget.
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Post by Keith on Mar 25, 2008 18:40:25 GMT
I just don't have the space for a full panel saw so I know I won't be able to cut an 8x4 sheet lengthways, but I would like to be able to cut it crosswise. The SCM and Roblands look too big unfortunately.
Stree I hadn't considered swapping the beam because the 2m sliding carriage costs nearly £600 which would be more or less wasted money when I do change saws.
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Post by jasonb on Mar 25, 2008 19:15:50 GMT
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Post by sainty on Mar 25, 2008 20:21:22 GMT
Keith
As you know i'm in a similar situation to you and have the TS2500. I have got the 2.0m beam and I do have some issues with it which is one of the reasons that I am upgrading. I find that there is sufficient flex in the beam/cabinet that when you try pushing a sheet through the friction generated by the tables on the sheet can push the beam and therefore the cut slightly out of square. It's not something that can't be overcome by being careful or taking two cuts but it is one of the reasons that I am upgrading. I don't know whether the TS4020ci has the same issues, I doubt it as I assume there was an upgrade to the cabinet when they switched to cast tables?
Good luck with the search.
I've found that there are a few second hand dealers around if you search, not sure if you want to go down this route having read your spindle moulder thread. I hoping to get more saw for the money this way.
rgds
Sainty
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Post by Keith on Mar 25, 2008 22:39:14 GMT
Jason one problem I have with the Scheppach is the way the sliding carriage fits on the rail; because it has to fit to the back of the machine, the distance between the front of the blade and the back of the machine is wasted travel. If that makes sense  Also the rail projects in front of the machine, right where I want to stand if I'm ripping timber. I know I could take it off to rip, but where to store it, and then will it go back exactly level and square? In my experience not, and so I end up having to fiddle about setting it up again. One thing I am sure about, until someone changes my mind  , is that I want an aluminium sliding carriage that runs right to the edge of the blade, like on the Felders. Keith |
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Post by Keith on Mar 25, 2008 22:51:29 GMT
Keith As you know i'm in a similar situation to you and have the TS2500. I have got the 2.0m beam and I do have some issues with it which is one of the reasons that I am upgrading. I find that there is sufficient flex in the beam/cabinet that when you try pushing a sheet through the friction generated by the tables on the sheet can push the beam and therefore the cut slightly out of square. It's not something that can't be overcome by being careful or taking two cuts but it is one of the reasons that I am upgrading. I don't know whether the TS4020ci has the same issues, I doubt it as I assume there was an upgrade to the cabinet when they switched to cast tables? Good luck with the search. I've found that there are a few second hand dealers around if you search, not sure if you want to go down this route having read your spindle moulder thread. I hoping to get more saw for the money this way. rgds Sainty Sainty I was following your workshop thread with interest, as you say we have similar problems, only you have a lot more space!! I'm definately not going the combi route, I tried swapping from moulding to sawing on a Felder 500 and it took forever to wind down the spindle and swap over. I lost the will to live half way through. If I had the space I would go for a full size panel saw every time. What a bummer, money to spend and can't decide what to get ;D. |
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Post by sainty on Mar 25, 2008 23:31:32 GMT
I'm definately not going the combi route, I tried swapping from moulding to sawing on a Felder 500 and it took forever to wind down the spindle and swap over. I lost the will to live half way through. If I had the space I would go for a full size panel saw every time. Bit of a quandry for me this one. Having only just moved into my workshop, most of my machines need upgrading now that they are starting to take a bit of a regular work. The combi route is probably the easiest way to upgrade given that I haven't got much time at the moment. I know that traditional wisdom says that if you have the room go for separates but the thought going through the buying process for a spindle/planer/thicknesser/saw would drive me mad!! I cant even decide on which side to get out of the bed in the morning and sometimes get that wrong! At the end of the day, my main criteria will be value and that will mean a used machine. Depending on my patience that might mean a saw or a combi which ever comes up at the right price first. Happy hunting!! Sainty |
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Post by Keith on May 1, 2008 19:31:19 GMT
I thought I would resurrect this thread and confess all. I was going to buy a Scheppach Ixes Forsa 6, but the price I had been given on the net didn't include the side extension and sliding cross table. When these were added in the price was the same as my local dealer, best part of £4K. Then the local rep says the demo model can't be assembled for a couple of weeks as it came with parts missing. Couple that with the fact the side extension is too big to go in my workshop, and I would need to find a panel beater to cut it down in size. So finally the Ixes was ruled out of the running. So I've ordered a Felder 700  to match the spindle. No wonder the banks are in trouble, they know I'm drawing all my money out ;D |
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Post by woodworker on May 1, 2008 20:01:59 GMT
keith, I thought you said earlier you hadn't got the room for a full size panel saw  . Are you having an extension on the workshop ;D. The outrigger & X cut fence are big & I mean big ;D. Whats delivery times like a the moment.. 3months ?. |
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Post by Keith on May 1, 2008 20:13:10 GMT
It has a 2m table so not quite a full panel saw, big though and there is no chance of an extension, the place is listed There is a 12 week wait at the moment, I think it may even be extended. They have had a lot of orders with the current special offers (now finished) and the 12% increase from today. I've ordered the suva guard too, I'm used to using one and it's a good safety feature Now I am skint ;D |
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Post by woodworker on May 1, 2008 20:34:21 GMT
It has a 2m table so not quite a full panel saw, big though and there is no chance of an extension, the place is listed There is a 12 week wait at the moment, I think it may even be extended. They have had a lot of orders with the current special offers (now finished) and the 12% increase from today. I've ordered the suva guard too, I'm used to using one and it's a good safety feature Now I am skint ;D Very nice Keith. You said you were skint last time ;D ;D. I still can't believe Felder have increased by 12% this time In less than 4 1/2yrs Felder's have increased by .......32% . . |
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Post by jfc on May 1, 2008 20:38:44 GMT
You wait , his next thread will be asking if he can borrow some tooling ;D ;D
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Post by Keith on May 1, 2008 21:04:32 GMT
You wait , his next thread will be asking if he can borrow some tooling ;D ;D Thats a great idea, thanks mate Jason can I have your address so I can come round and see what tooling I can borrow ;D |
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Post by Keith on May 1, 2008 21:12:00 GMT
[ Very nice Keith. You said you were skint last time ;D ;D. I still can't believe Felder have increased by 12% this time In less than 4 1/2yrs Felder's have increased by .......32% . . No, now I really really am skint, I did get a fair discount, plus half price comissioning but the total bill is still mind blowing, my accountant is due soon, he will have a fit That's why Jason's kind offer is so welcome ;D |
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Post by jfc on May 1, 2008 21:52:39 GMT
Your welcome any time but you will be leaving with nothing more than a belly full of tea  |
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Post by hookie on May 3, 2008 8:57:17 GMT
I'm thinking of getting a new table saw with a budget of about £3000. Currently I have a Scheppach TS2500 and I'm finding it a bit limited for cutting sheet goods. I don't have the space for a full panel saw but I would like to be able to cut at least 4ft in front of the blade. I like the Felder K500 but it comes out at over £4500 with all the extras. Anyone got any recommendations for something suitable in my price bracket? TIA Keith Keith.. Seond hand recon, from Scott Sargnt. Sedgwick or Wadkin, if you got room. That be my buy if i had the3 grand! Man Hat On  |
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Post by Scrit on May 3, 2008 10:39:07 GMT
Hi Keith
Interesting that you finally went the Felder 700 route. Was this because you neede the scoring facility (surely a pre-requisite for panel work?) I think that Lynx pointed the way - there simply isn't a reasonable panel saw available new for much under £5k, so that leaves you either looking at secondhand or lower spec. If you have three phase then the second-hand choice is reasonable, but it does need a bit of knowledge of the market and how panel saws work to ensure that some wide boy dealer doesn't rip you off. In single phase there has always been very little on offer simply because panel saws are trade machines and trade workshops have three phase. About the only British machines ever offered were the Startrite TA300 and TA1250 designs and the Wadkin SP12, all designs with a 4ft table stroke and thus not having that essential 8ft rip capacity, although all three designs did feature scorers. The nearest to any of these in the UK today is the Wadkin SP130 (Sedgwick don't make any machines with a scorer), although they are not all that common with the demise of Wadkin as a major manufacturer
Scrit
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Post by Keith on May 3, 2008 12:19:35 GMT
Hi Scrit, Simple truth is that Judith made me buy it, same as the 700 spindle ;D She made me list everything I needed from the saw, she then looked through all saws I had details of and said "this is the cheapest saw that fits your requirements" Which were; Single phase small enough to fit in my relatively small workshop Durable, this has to last me 10 years until I retire 2m sliding carriage good size outrigger sliding carriage that runs right up to the blade SUVA guarding scoring blade Dado facility Most of the other machines were too big, too small or only 3 phase. I'm used to a SUVA guard and so the 500 series Felder was out. I did consider a Trans Wave converter, but by the time I had factored in the cost it didn't seem worth the hassle A few days have passed and so far I'm still happy with the decision. Fingers crossed they work Keith |
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, is that I want an aluminium sliding carriage that runs right to the edge of the blade, like on the Felders.
to match the spindle.
. Are you having an extension on the workshop ;D.
