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Post by wizer on Jun 29, 2008 20:08:13 GMT
This toy chest is next up on my list. I am still chugging away at the Adirondack chair, but it won't be done by the end of summer.  It will be oak with veneered mdf walnut panels. I am using loose tenon joinery for speed more than anything. Not thought much about the top yet, probably just piano hinge. I wondered, generally, how people plan their order of work. More out of interest than anything else. |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jun 29, 2008 20:40:59 GMT
1 design drawing 2 rod 3 cutting list 4 cut stuff to length and section with margin for horns, planing etc - basic rule of thumb for min waste: cut largest pieces first, from smallest possible pieces of stock 5 plane everything to finished section size 6 mark up everything from rod (no tapes allowed from now on  ) 7 cut all mortices, tenon cheeks, haunches, tapers for wedges etc whilst stock still square 8 mouldings, slots, rebates, shaping 9 tenon shoulders last 10 dry run fit 11 glue n cramp 12 chop up for firewood 13 off down the boozer cheers Jacob |
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Post by engineerone on Jun 29, 2008 22:35:14 GMT
whilst i kind of agree with jacob's idea, there is a downside to his suggestion about cutting. his idea relates to items which take no account of the grain and it direction and whether you are trying to exploit it or not. so when cutting it may not be possible to use the shortest pieces to get long bits, since the grain may not fit your design. same applies to your usage of the oak veneer. other thing is of course you need to do the outline cutting and planing then let it settle before final sizing. paul  |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jun 30, 2008 5:01:21 GMT
whilst i kind of agree with jacob's idea, there is a downside to his suggestion about cutting. his idea relates to items which take no account of the grain and it direction and whether you are trying to exploit it or not. Not 'my idea' Paul; it's well known, across all trades. It's a rule of thumb so yes, you adapt it to suit the materials and the job. cheers Jacob |
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Post by wizer on Jun 30, 2008 7:31:17 GMT
I have always been interested in your Rod idea Jacob. I might have a go with it on this build. I take it I draw out the piece on a piece of ply in both section. Do I then physically make marks on the wood from the rod. i.e. bring the planed wood to the piece and transfer pencil, then use squares to draw the lines? With the curved sides, would I make this piece as a template to replicate exactly 4 times?
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Post by wizer on Jun 30, 2008 7:32:30 GMT
Oh and what about joinery? (In this case just mortices.) Are they marked on the Rod?
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Post by nickw on Jun 30, 2008 7:37:12 GMT
Wizer,
Answers in order are:
Yes.
That would be a good idea, but is not absolutely necessary - a little difference between pieces can add to the handmade charm.
Perzackly.
Yes.
:-D
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jun 30, 2008 9:33:51 GMT
I have always been interested in your Rod idea Jacob. Again - "not my idea" - is a well established technique used by many trades. It's really odd that so many aspiring woodworkers don't seem to know about it. Full size sections as necessary including all details you need to mark. I use MFC white B&Q 6" shelf lengths and 2H to HB pencil. Stack pieces e.g. all rails or stiles with face and edge marks all matching together or opposite depending on details, and mark off the rod with a plastic set square, then carry mark all round each piece with a square. Your curve - either a template, or use first one as template for the others. cheers Jacob |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jul 2, 2008 20:38:25 GMT
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Post by andy on Jul 2, 2008 21:01:31 GMT
;D remember it well but I thought it was the plane thread which got you banned |
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Post by wizer on Jul 2, 2008 21:02:56 GMT
bloody infuriating, it seems even more bizarre when you read it back.
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Post by jake on Jul 2, 2008 21:12:59 GMT
bloody infuriating, it seems even more bizarre when you read it back. Mostly because the key posts were posted by Tony, to which Jacob responded - and then Tony deleted that sequence of posts from the thread (including my and a couple of other people's protests at his stupidly aggressive negative attitude) when he realised that his attacks on Jacob had been way over the top, so as to hide the evidence and cover his tracks. Shameful behaviour by a moderator, still is, always will be. |
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Post by jetset on Jul 2, 2008 22:53:55 GMT
I've just re-read that thread on UKWS about the rods. I remember reading it at the time and being really disappointed to see Jacob banned as I truly loved reading his advice. I've just started a project and am using a rod for the first time and it's going well.
Great to see that Jacob is an active member here.
Jim
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jul 3, 2008 9:18:34 GMT
Thanks for that jetset. Let us know how you get on with a rod. Sfunny they seem to have blocked the proxy server I was using! How strange. That means a. they read our stuff daily, and b. they are very weirdly paranoid Can't just be Tony the T**t they must all be mad fuc0kers, or does he have some hold over them? I'd be ashamed to be a mod in that company. No self respect. cheers Jacob |
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Post by Alf on Jul 3, 2008 10:07:45 GMT
Could just be the same proxy's been used for spam and been banned for that.
Cheers, Alf
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Post by jake on Jul 3, 2008 10:44:47 GMT
There are so many proxy servers in the world, they are going to have a job keeping that trick up.
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Post by Dave S on Jul 3, 2008 12:49:18 GMT
I've used rods and story sticks quite a bit since reading Jacob's posts over there. They've worked quite well for me, and it is quite noticable how much more error-prone I have been when working without them. Case in point - last weekend I was quickly putting together an extension for the kids' guinea pig run. Didn't make a rod. Miscalculated and deducted 18mm from a dimension instead of adding it. Twas Sunday afternoon, B&Q was already closed. The guinea pigs have to wait.... kids not happy either!  A rod won't help if you're sloppy, though. You only have to accurate with your measurements once, but if you get it wrong then all your components end up identical....and wrong! Hence the 3 drawers in my garage which are all too wide for the cabinet they were supposed to fit, by exactly the same amount!! Just noticed the 'Tube' tags in the toolbar here - looks like we can embed youtube vids in our posts. How about a masterclass from Jacob?? ;D Dave |
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Post by andy king on Jul 3, 2008 12:54:57 GMT
Hi Dave,
The idea of the rod is that all components, drawers included, including clearance gaps are drawn in and the marking out taken directly from the rod, thus, they should fit the framework.
This is one area where I do agree with Jacob!!!
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jul 3, 2008 14:49:26 GMT
Hi Dave, The idea of the rod is that all components, drawers included, including clearance gaps are drawn in and the marking out taken directly from the rod, thus, they should fit the framework. And you can lay on components such as hardware, and take marks straight off without measuring e.g. for a letter plate in a door, or specialised hinges, etc. Cuts out the middle-man i.e. the tape and the back of envelope calculations. cheers Jacob PS convex bevel sharpening will be catching on in a big way soon ;D ;D |
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Post by jfc on Jul 3, 2008 20:30:36 GMT
I have also had my IP blocked but all my work is still there , seems a little silly but i really dont give a sh*t ;D You aint seen nuffin yet ;D Order of work Do a drawing and work out what timber i need . Get the timber yard to PAR my timber . Size the timber to workable pieces for my work shop . Spindle moulder time  Size the pieces to what i need weeding out knots etc . Mark out from a template , i use my template in my work but it is a rod of sorts . Tenon , mortice / joint . Glue up . Start up the cement mixer and add filler ....... ;D |
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Post by jake on Jul 3, 2008 20:34:02 GMT
[Mod edit]
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Post by jake on Jul 3, 2008 20:34:19 GMT
[Mod edit]
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Post by andy on Jul 3, 2008 20:34:44 GMT
Deliver
Install
and then wait for the customer to pay Zzzzzz
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Post by jake on Jul 3, 2008 20:34:48 GMT
Stop it Jase, just because [mod edit]
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jul 3, 2008 20:38:08 GMT
Thanks for that jetset. Let us know how you get on with a rod. Sfunny they seem to have blocked the proxy server I was using! How strange. That means a. they read our stuff daily, and b. they are very weirdly paranoid Can't just be Tony the T**t they must all be mad fuc0kers, or does he have some hold over them? I'd be ashamed to be a mod in that company. No self respect. cheers Jacob It's unblocked. Perhaps me being paranoid. They are still mad fuc00kers though! In fact a gang of tw**ts without a doubt. cheers Jacob |
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