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Post by jfc on Aug 14, 2008 18:56:50 GMT
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Post by lynx on Aug 14, 2008 19:31:46 GMT
Nice one. From start to finish, how long for that then Jason?
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Post by jfc on Aug 14, 2008 19:47:32 GMT
Erm , you will have to take a look at the other place and let me know ;D
I'm sure i priced for a week without spraying .
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Post by andy on Aug 14, 2008 20:49:48 GMT
Link if anyone is interested in the original post
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Post by engineerone on Aug 14, 2008 21:05:27 GMT
a week without spraying, didn't know you could hold your drink so well ;D  as before, it looks good mate. paul  |
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Post by jfc on Aug 14, 2008 21:54:32 GMT
Oh very good Mr Smarty pants , i was putting it here because they have blocked me from looking over there  ;D |
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Post by mailee on Aug 14, 2008 21:57:10 GMT
Yep, remember it from the other place Jason but it is certainly worth another post here mate. Very nice piece, just shows what can be done with MDF. Much more classy than a knock down Ikea. I love the arched top and fluting. Great work mate.  |
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Post by tusses on Aug 15, 2008 21:01:11 GMT
WOW !!! I am really glad you posted that Jason I dont like MDF at all ! , but seeing that could well change my mind ! that is nice work Rich |
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Post by jfc on Aug 15, 2008 21:46:48 GMT
MDF is a great material and can be worked in so many ways . It also allows peolple to have what they want at a cost they can afford . If i quoted this job in solid timber i would not have got it . Another MDF job  If i had used solid timber i bet i would have been called back a few times |
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Post by tusses on Aug 15, 2008 22:00:38 GMT
? which bit ? the black or the white ?
I didn't think MDF and weather mixed ?
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Post by jfc on Aug 15, 2008 22:31:06 GMT
The arched canopy is exterior MDF replacing a concreate one that had failed .
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Post by tusses on Aug 15, 2008 22:44:47 GMT
hmmm.... not convinced  I have a lot to learn about MDF me thinks ! I'd have cast it in concrete again ! LOL ! |
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Post by jfc on Aug 15, 2008 22:48:00 GMT
Get a price and then rethink I'm interested to know why you dont like MDF ? |
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Post by tusses on Aug 15, 2008 23:04:21 GMT
I'd hav made a mould and cast it myself !
MDF - hmmm... its not wood - its dust and glue ! its like smooth chip board !
'Real' wood is stronger and doesnt swell to 3 times its size if you get a leak or a damp patch ...
the only thing I have ever heard positive about MDF is its cheap !
yes its stable as long as its dry !, but I dont see it lasting 100's of years like good old fashioned Jacobean Oak etc
I might consider it for speaker cabinets , where its physical characteristics are suited to sound dampening etc
TBH , I dont really know where my dislike for MDF came from - but its deep, and I doubt I'll shake it !
I thought after I posted, that tulipwood or similar would paint up just as well
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Post by engineerone on Aug 15, 2008 23:22:01 GMT
plainly it is an illogical thing to dislike mdf, would you in earlier days have hated ply re designed wood has been around since at least the egyptians and the pyramids, because wood is not always stable and accurate. if you are building painted cabinets, bookshelves or similar, then mdf is a better alternative, as long as you design your parts to take advantage of the product. question do you use mdc or melamine faced boards, if so what is the difference except that in all probability mdf has better mechanical strength, as long as you joint it properly. whilst "proper " wood has many benefits, certainly for built in type furniture it is a waste, except for the doors. also you cannot get solid wood to stay flat over areas of more than 500 width and 1000 long, if you can find the planks at all. and finally there is the cost. wood is probably 2 times the price of mdf, and takes longer to make the article too. don't forget that jason uses wood in many things, his windows for instance, but chooses to use mdf for many things because experience tells him it is the best material. paul |
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Post by tusses on Aug 15, 2008 23:35:19 GMT
I'm not saying Jason or anyone else should have a dislike for MDF or anything else , just that I do !
from my experience it sags too. I just dont like it.
take an alcove - maybe 3' across
put a couple of shelves up 3/4" thick. make them out of 3/4 x 6" pine and load up with books - fine
do the same with 3/4 x 6" MDF and it will sag with time
if you knock it , it chips off on the edges ...
its much too heavy !
its dusty when worked ...
I think I read somwhere it's tough on your tools ?
like I said - maybe I have a lot to learn about MDF .. but till I do , I dont like it so far !
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Post by big-all on Aug 16, 2008 0:48:51 GMT
if you think about it tusses you need to remember its a different material it has its own constraints
like chipboard ply sterling board plasterboard and expanded polystyrene
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Post by jaco on Aug 16, 2008 5:19:34 GMT
Very nice work Jase!  Was this after your tool replacement program? ;D ;D |
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Post by tusses on Aug 16, 2008 7:36:56 GMT
if you think about it tusses you need to remember its a different material it has its own constraints like chipboard ply sterling board plasterboard and expanded polystyrene indeed, I understand that. and like I said, Jasons work has made me think twice about using it again and maybe there is a lot to learn about it since I dismissed it years ago. I'd never heared of exterior MDF for instance . MR and FR yes, but I wouldn't have thought you could use it outside ! I made some pigeon hole shelves for wifey's work hut not long ago. I used MDF and really didnt enjoy it. |
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Post by jfc on Aug 16, 2008 7:45:03 GMT
The canopy was one of the first jobs i took on in the workshop . We did look at re casting it in concreate but we cast the cills for the windows ( you can see one to the top left ) and it didnt go as well as planned . The amount of work involved to recast the canopy made the price rocket up and the added work off adding steel to hold it against the building aswell as hold it together just seemed crazy when it could be made out of lighter materials and made in a few parts . It's up to you what materials you use but if you want to earn a living from woodwork i would look for better reasons for discounting materials I dont like making pigeon holes either no matter what material they are . |
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Post by tusses on Aug 16, 2008 8:02:01 GMT
I am already starting to question the type of work I want to do 'for a living' ! I dont think the big joinery type stuff is for me - nor built in furniture. In fact - most of the stuff you guys do for bread and butter work ! I dont like dealing with customers - LOL but I'll start another thread on that one My idea is to build more arty / crafty and 'fine furniture' type stuff. whether there is a market for that is yet to be seen. |
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Post by wizer on Aug 16, 2008 16:38:24 GMT
My idea is to build more arty / crafty and 'fine furniture' type stuff. Not in the current climate. If you want to earn a living, you need to do the bread and butter stuff. |
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Post by simuk on Aug 16, 2008 17:19:48 GMT
Very nice JFC, did it take some lifting?
Simon
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Post by jfc on Aug 16, 2008 18:19:42 GMT
It wasnt too bad as i made it in two parts ( top and bottom ) and just fixed it together on site . Seeing as this has become an MDF thread if others want to add MDF work i will change the thread name . I think it would be a good idea as there seems to be a dislike for the material with no real reasoning . On another note , this one WAS HEAVY !!!!!!  |
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Post by tusses on Aug 16, 2008 18:46:05 GMT
another nice piece !
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;D
I have a lot to learn about MDF me thinks !
