ivan
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Post by ivan on Sept 29, 2008 12:50:30 GMT
I thought radiators had to be earth bonded if plumbed with plastic pipe, due to modest conductivity of water.
Re pipe diameters, imagine dividing 4" pipe with a cross, so you subdivide the pipe into 4 qudrant shaped pipes, which might then peel off to 4 machines. (Ignore the thickness of the divider) You might imagine the speed of 4000 ft/min flow in the 4" main would result in 4000 ft/min in each branch. However, each branch of ~3" cross section has an effective diameter of just about 2". A 2" pipe has much more resistance to flow at 1000 ft/min than the 4" at 4000 ft/min. With the same fan flow is radically reduced overall. You get closest by making each 2" branch of minimal length (not very practical, and liable to high turbulence leading to more resistance to flow). In practice a standard bag extractor will be choked and the \airflow may reduce to the point that chips drop out of the flow. High revving vac cleaner type extractors can generate high flow in fairly short small pipes, but you need a lot of motors in parallel to shift much cu ft. Resistance to flow varies with both diameter and air speed; most reference libraries have heating and ventilation engineers bibles on the shelf with charts and tables to show this in detail, if you're interested.
Crown guard extraction with 2" hose probably only works when pipe is short, and when sawdust is directed into the duct.
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ivan
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Post by ivan on Sept 29, 2008 13:00:52 GMT
Edit: HSE did some experiments to see if sparks could ignite strem entering a bag extractor. There are/were some attention grabbing pictures on their website. It proved quite hard to ignite dust flow with a spark, but when it did, the result was spectacular. Airblast burned a hole in the bag which released an initial 20' jet of flame....Not quite an urban myth, then. However (a) sparking in plastic pipe is not common and (b) spark ignition is not easy, so likely hood is not great. Extent of damage likely if 20' flame did ocurr, up to you to judge. Seemed reasonable to me to make sure I can turn off the extractor no matter where I am in workshop.
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Post by ivan on Sept 29, 2008 20:01:53 GMT
Edit 2: From H&VE bible nomogram: chips are sustained in suspension by airflow of min. 4000 ft/min, or 20m/sec. In a 100mm pipe that gives a volume of ~350 cu ft/min or 0.16 m2/s. At the same level of suction, for a 50mm dia pipe the velocity drops to 13m/sec and the volume to 0.025 m2/sec (~50 cu ft/min). A 150mm pipe at the same level of suction gives 1000 cu ft/min (0.5m2/s)and airspeed of ~26m/s, which explains why Bill Pentz likes big bore pipwork. As a rule of thumb, twice the length of pipe requires twice the suction, etc. and helpfully, extractors or often rated without any bag fitted....
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selly
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Post by selly on Oct 5, 2008 18:04:28 GMT
S o 4" it is then?
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