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Post by wrongnail on Apr 21, 2008 8:11:46 GMT
hi telos i totally agree with you, as a limited but enthusiastic amateur i aspire to do work of the quality consistently showcased in F&C. there are plenty of good mags aimed at the amateur/diy market already and my opinion is that F&C should be encouraging people to aspire to the elite and not attempting to join the already saturated ranks of the general woodwork press. without aspiration and inspiration we will all stagnate and standards will drop to be the best you need to learn from and see the best p.s. will write to Micheal expessing my concerns Hi chill,, May I suggest that if you aspire to the quality in F&C, then read some of the other magazines, where you should find articles and projects that suit your 'limited' capabilities (as you express them). I think you'll find this route good to work up to the more advanced work to which you aspire. Having small successes with 'simpler' projects is better than failing with an advanced piece and giving up in frustration. It will also save on precious timber too. Good Luck John |
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Post by chill on Apr 21, 2008 12:17:19 GMT
Hi wrongnail,thanks for your advice ,that is the route i have already sucessfully taken ;D i think it is good to have a target to aim for,and for that reason i will aspire to the standards set in F&C and achieve them within my limited time scales ;D
cheers chris
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Post by wrongnail on Apr 21, 2008 13:48:53 GMT
Well Chris,
I still have targets. I just need stronger specs each year to see them!
Happy in my retirement, playing with bits of wood.
Cheers and all the best in your aspirations; just don't fall in love with pieces you make for sale.
John
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Post by wrongnail on Apr 24, 2008 16:10:14 GMT
Another vote for F&C for me. I'm a bit concerned about the new editors comments about having a quick/easy piece in each mag. To me that's not what F&C is about, I want to see the most complicated projects/techniques. Let GW do the bird tables!! Occaisionally get GW, not as much as I used to after there was an artical about guttering. I did get it recently however and it seems to have improved. As was said on the other side, there does seem to be a bit of a gap in the market for a chippy/joiner mag. I don't know whether there is a market for such a thing. cheers Sainty Are you suggesting that readers of 'Good Woodworking' can make only bird-tables? Bit of a sweeping generalisation if you are mate. In fact, bird-tables are like any other piece of woodwork. There are bird-tables and there are bird-tables. WN.  |
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Post by wrongnail on Apr 27, 2008 16:20:48 GMT
How do we think we can aspire to and tackle some of these 'fine, complicated' pieces, until we cut our teeth on the 'bird-table' and 'garden gate' projects.
Maybe someone who has just started could make a traditional ash wheelbarrow?
Then tell us it was a piece of cake.
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Post by sainty on Apr 27, 2008 20:42:22 GMT
I missed your comments there WN. All I'm saying is that GW appeals to the beginner/improver and thats not the market that I think F&C should be aiming at. Oh, and I can make much more sweeping statements than that, try me. I've got some great ones about Midlanders. |
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Post by wrongnail on Apr 28, 2008 8:35:26 GMT
Oh, and I can make much more sweeping statements than that, try me. I've got some great ones about Midlanders. That remark is approaching 'the personal'. You want personal? No problem. You seem to be an educated person; as opposed to schooled. You went to 'University? Or 'uni' if you prefer. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. Either way, you should realise that where a person lives is not necessarily where they hail from; which makes no difference anyway when you are appraising someone; and you shouldn't do that until you know them. My advice, if you are not too pig-headed to listen, is: If you are given to sweeping statements; generalisations, then steer clear of adult debate, discussion and argument. Without material to back up what you say, about Midlanders, (or anyone else for that matter) your opinions are worthless. Even if you have the 'evidence', it won't apply to ALL Midlanders, but at least it will have a little substance. Now I will 'get personal'. I have no idea where you are from, nor what gender you might be. I don't particularly care because it doesn't matter. Wherever you are from and whatever gender you are, I am sure of one thing. You display a smug, superior attitude which doesn't become anyone who is aiming to get through life easily and pleasantly, making good friends along the way. If you are as I imagine you, you'll probably have friends, who are too tactful to tell you, in the vernacular, that you are a pain in the a**e. I could say all that comes with the territory, among your generation, but that would be a generalisation and I try not to generalise. So, thankfully, not everyone who hails from your neck of the woods will be so ill-mannered, and as offensive as you. Climb down off that high-horse of yours and grow up enough to realise that we all have to rub along; but that doesn't mean we have to be abrasive. You should have concluded that I am prepared to say what I feel; but I don't do it for the sake of opening an argument. I don't expect anyone to be 'all sweetness and light' either, but at the same time I don't like provocateurs. I am not 'attacking' you. I merely trying to make you see how you come across. I daresay I am not alone. Other forumites might be as honest with you as I have been. I really don't care. Is that personal enough for you? Finally, I am not a beginner. I know there is always something I can learn, but I wouldn't class myself as an 'improver' either. How does 54 years 'at it' strike you? WN |
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Post by andy on Apr 28, 2008 9:47:10 GMT
Ok guys can we call a truce please
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Post by sainty on Apr 28, 2008 22:15:03 GMT
Ok guys can we call a truce please Andy, I think, (hope) that this means it was all light hearted? Perhaps a reference to a different place? I might be totally wrong in which case I might be a pig headed, pain in the a**e, smug, superior in attitude, ill mannered, offensive, high horse riding provocateur. Although educated and with some friends ;D . ;D ;D ;D ;D rgds Sainty |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on May 4, 2008 17:58:05 GMT
I got a spare spring "Woodworking" by mistake. PM address if you want it.
It's my 1st mag sub for many years. Hmm - article about making a round breadboard? Do I want to pay for that?
The rest of it is OK, and no ads or product placement.
I've never seen it before but I have a sneaky feeling that it's best days may already be over. What's the general opinion?
cheers
Jacob
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Post by Scrit on May 4, 2008 18:41:37 GMT
I went off them entirely when I did a C&J course and found that the huge pile of magazines I'd accumulated had taught me f-all about basic woodwork - the worst of it being that I didn't know what I didn't know. I'd never have found out without doing a course and some training. I somehow doubt that many amateurs would want to learn about construction geometry, calculation of cripple rafter lengths/angles or the whys and wherefores of door linings/frames in the way we need to as part of our respective jobs. I've moved over more into carpentry & joinery from a cabinetmaking background and it constantly surprises me what I do know as much as what I don't. I must admit that I, too, am still learning, albeit not from magazines (which I tend to view as "light entertainment"). I agree it's a pity that magazines don't seek to teach the basics, but frankly if they did would anyone buy them? Scrit |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on May 4, 2008 19:14:01 GMT
snip I somehow doubt that many amateurs would want to learn about construction geometry, calculation of cripple rafter lengths/angles or the whys and wherefores of door linings/frames in the way we need to as part of our respective jobs. snip I agree it's a pity that magazines don't seek to teach the basics, but frankly if they did would anyone buy them? Scrit Well I dunno. I needed the basics desperately at the time - real basics like face & edge marks, basic timber prep face edge and thickness/width. And I get the firm impression that many amateurs also want the same sort of stuff, and even if they think they don't want it they definitely need it and are at a permanent disadvantage without it! No amount of fancy kit can make up the difference. I think the best thing I learned was just how much you can do with very basic kit, as we've talked about before. Haven't done much roof framing, but it came in very handy (after a bit of revision!) when I wanted to make some basic saw stools. Reminder - free copy of spring "Woodworking" if anyone wants to PM their address. cheers Jacob |
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Post by paulchapman on May 4, 2008 19:55:09 GMT
Well I dunno. I needed the basics desperately at the time - real basics like face & edge marks, basic timber prep face edge and thickness/width. And I get the firm impression that many amateurs also want the same sort of stuff, and even if they think they don't want it they definitely need it and are at a permanent disadvantage without it! There was an excellent series called "The Apprentice", written by John Bullar and published in Furniture & Cabinet Making, which covered all the basics, just like we were taught at school. It continues but has now moved on to more advanced stuff. Here's a link to John's website www.individualfurniture.com/Cheers Paul |
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