Saws

[jfc]

Not to interupt the birthday gloat i thought i would start a new thread .

Now i have had a few "nice saws" but as soon as i started having to earn money out of my trade i opted for the old plastic handled hard point as the nice saws didnt do the job as far as i could see . Now i have my workshop and not going to get some git using my saw to cut a sheet of plasterboard in half i'm thinking about nice saws again . So Whats the costs of getting a nice cross cut , rip saw and tenon saw made ?

[paulchapman]

See here www.wenzloffandsons.com/saws/index.html

Cheers

Paul

PS A small range of Mike's saws should be available through BriMarc soon

[engineerone]

must say jason, that my LN dovetail is quite nice

thing is you need to have a decent sawing action too, then many saws work really well.

colin sharpened my old toga, and that works well too.

paul

[colincott]

Jason

To get a nice, you can get a good second hand one e.g Tyzak is a good name to start with and I am sure someone will post more.
You just might need t get it sharpened or learn to do it yourself

If you want new, then the ones Paul C post would seem a very nice place to start ( one day ).

[andy]

Jason

You could always try tapping Mikew up for a freebie in exchange for some advertising on the forum

I'm sure at 21 weeks before an order can be started he is probably desperate for some free publicity



ps just going back to the webb site to have another drool

[mrspanton]

engineerone said:

thing is you need to have a decent sawing action too, then many saws work really well.

This is true. For a lot of people there experience of a "traditional saw" was some clapped out old s&j with a loose handle, about 8 or 9 missing teeth, and that someone tried to cut not only plasterboard, but kerbstones, railwat sleepr's and alloy castings with it as well. So it had like child friendly kiddie proof rounded little teeth. Its a total revelation to actually use a correctly set and sharpened saw, it whistles and sings as it cuts, doesnt make farting sounds. We got seduced that the only way o get a sharp saw was to keep buying bahco's, sandvik's etc or upgrade to dewalt. I wouldnt fanny about getting a custom saw. Just get a secondhand old disston or old S&J, a pair of saw setting pliars and some nicholson files and get them fettled up. Theres life in those od tools yet. Grandad coped well enough with them. If you have the ability to accurately set up a saw bench or planer thicknesser you can easily learn to fettle a hand saw, and it doesnt take long to do either.

[mrgrimsdale]

I just got these on ebay total £14.64 cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130161207690 for the purpose of improving my saw sharpening skills. Bl**dy good saws and dead cheap. Can't see that I'll need any more - they'll see me out
Saws on ebay don't seem to get the daft prices like planes.

cheers
Jacob

[jfc]

Like i said i have a few nice saws and spent part of my apprenticeship learning to set and sharpen them but i don't think i ever got it right . After a while i started sending them away to be sharpened but they still didn't cut aswell as the old plastic handled hardpoint . Maybe they just sharpened them and didn't set them




A Disston tenon saw , a Sandvik crosscut , a Disston crosscut and an unknown where i got it from or what it is cross cut .

[jfc]

Ive set the setting tool up to the same degree as most of the back teeth . and was thinking of going along the rest with this setting . Is this a good plan ?

[mrspanton]

They might well of put your saw's into a so called sharpening machine which have been known to remove a 1/4 inch of blade in one session And they didnt always set them either. Thats THE main reason I dislike disposable's, theres no set on them, I find them extremely difficult to manouver they easily get a mind of there own, I dont have to fight with a proper saw, just cooperate with it ;D
Whats the seting tool you mentioned in your last post jfc?

[colincott]

JFC

As I will be seeing you in the next few days and I dont do a bad job on saws ( come on Dom, you know you want to say something )

I could have a look at them and go over sharpening them with you, if you want

[dom]

Yeh O.K.
Jason, he sharpened my dovetailer, so now my cuts are clean the customers think they're going to get that all the time, which means Colin will have to keep coming to my workshop to sharpen the bloody thing.
So if you want to see Colin regularly you just go ahead mate. ;D

[colincott]

dom said:

Yeh O.K.
Jason, he sharpened my dovetailer, so now my cuts are clean the customers think they're going to get that all the time, which means Colin will have to keep coming to my workshop to sharpen the bloody thing.
So if you want to see Colin regularly you just go ahead mate. ;D

That hurt

By the way are you sure you know how to use it properly as I di notice that it had a kink in it

[dom]

OOH, b*tch.
and I want a bigger trailer and fresh fruit and......................

[colincott]

dom said:

OOH, b*tch.
and I want a bigger trailer and fresh fruit and......................

I always knew you where a diva and just needed the dress but I would guess you have that already ;D

Now why did I do that as I now have to get the picture of you in a dress out of my head

<goes to bang head against the wall>

[jfc]

Well Colin has sharpened my tenon saw and it really is nice to use It seems my saws are from the 50's - 60's ? and not the best quality because of that ? So i have been searching ebay for some better /older ones . Not really sure what i am looking for so any pointers for a good cross cut saw .

[Scrit]

jfc said:

A Disston tenon saw , a Sandvik crosscut , a Disston crosscut and an unknown where i got it from or what it is cross cut .

Well for starters both the "Disstons" you've got there are the crap produced and sold by Sandvik from the 1970s onwards. They have huge, uncomfortable handles and crap blades. Sandvik's own saws were never that clever, either.

Might I suggest that you try something like a Sanderson-Keyser "Pax" crosscut saw (now made by Thomas Flynn in Sheffield), and a 24 or 26in long one? These aren't quite as good as the Tyzack "Nonpariel" saws produced until the late 1980s (modern ones are cheap French copies and should be avoided like the proverbial) - but they will run rings around any hardpoint you care to mention. I'm told that E.T. Roberts & Lee "Dorchester" saws (made in London) are also very good saws, but Spear & Jackson allowed some pillock of a designer who'd obviously never used a handsaw for more than 5 minutes at a time and had teenage girl-sized hands to redesign their handles in the 1970s thus ruining a perfectly reasonable set of saws.

There you are, a diss, a rant and a recommendation all in one para!

Scrit

[colincott]

I have used the E.T. Roberts & Lee "Dorchester" saws as one of my old foremans had the rip and crosscut

Very nice as I use to use the crosscut to cut 3" mahogany and other think boards when needed ;D

Well I got the dates wrong but got that they where not the best Disstons

Jason

The one in your pic that is on the far right looks like a better saw so try giving that a sharpen and see how it goes

[jfc]

Colin , i have cleaned that one up a little and it says spear and jackson sheffield . It has a dowel inserted into the back of the handle .

[colincott]

jfc said:

Colin , i have cleaned that one up a little and it says spear and jackson sheffield . It has a dowel inserted into the back of the handle .

That should be a gooden as it looks like it also has an older handle, so give a good clean.
Sharpen and set and it should be it

[Alf]

jfc said:

Colin , i have cleaned that one up a little and it says spear and jackson sheffield . It has a dowel inserted into the back of the handle .

Sounds and looks like a "Spearior 88" - this advert from August 1951:



They made a big thing of the dowel through the handle as a desirable unbreakable handle feature, iirc. Also bottom one here:



You might struggle to get yours into that condition though...

Cheers, Alf

[jfc]

Ahhh yes , there is "arior" still remaining on the handle . Elbow grease time i think .

[jfc]

Well i cleaned it up , set it , sharpened it , sharpened it and set it and sharperned it again and its still a pile of sh*t ;D

[paulchapman]

jfc said:

and its still a pile of sh*t ;D

Well, Alf did say ".......You might struggle to get yours into that condition though... "


Hat, coat,

[engineerone]

what's that about a bad workman blames his tools???

and a bad sharpener blames the set

make a good scraper though jase

paul