Best Chisels

[engineerone]

if you are gonna cast stones, you must get your facts correct.

Hong Kong Shanghai Bank was originally brit owned, and operated from HK, until the UK agreed to hand back the lease to China under the thatcher government, when chris patten was governor, of HK.

in the early nineties the company moved its head office over to the UK, and started their takeover of the Midland which has now become HSBC.

in all cases now of multi national institutions like banks, there are numerous shareholders, including countries, most banks hold shares in other banks, only a few, like citibank have the major shareholder being a individual, like the saudi prince there.

from recent shareholder releases, HSBC is still a UK company
and the board is as usual multi national.

al the uk banks have a bad track record of customer quality and provision, cause they are too big to care.

paul

[mrspanton]

Ok if your being fussy
Maybe I got some facts wrong about the details of hong kong shanghai banking corporation I apologise for my mistake. Its noot clear is it do they operate in british intrst's orchinease or other intrest's? BUT it is reality that chinease economic and industrial power is sustaining western consumerism (at a high cost to our own worker's, industries, the enviroment and also to the chinease peasnt worker's who have very little option (or get threatened, tortured or even shot by brave soldiers) but to work for the new breed of chinease super tycoon industrialists. What isn't made in china now?? Huh? What hypocrites (but so true to party form), just as bad as those american steel and shipping barons in the 1890's, thught they were owning the system and could justifiably treat others lke dirt). Rolson/silverline/faithful etc are just minor example's of this cheapo china syndrome, thats not any racist thing its reality, undercut every rival busines and industry until they go under. Look at EG karrimor, doc martin's, dyson's just a few hosehold names that "outsourcd" (modern term for colonising and exploiting cheap labour) their manufacturing capabilities. What happens if eventually china is the only place where stuff is made? Or will milions of westerners by then have rejected consumerism as a way of life, and the demand for new products on a fast turn around, on ther back of ruthlessly controlled cheap labour, simply dry up and the chinese will return to paddie fields and bamboo planting? ;D

[paulchapman]

Quite right, Mr S. The other daft thing is that the West keeps wringing its hands about how the rapid industrialisation of China is a major contribution to global warming but at the same time outsources its manufacturing to China. Me thinks the West speaks with forked tongue

Cheers

Paul

[Scrit]

dirtydeeds said:

bacho 343s

with the exception of london pattern registered mortice chisels

nothing comes close for heavy duty use

Now there's a man who needs to try some real, old-fashioned "pig-stickers" (heavy bolstered mortise chisels). Cue Mr G? ;D

[engineerone]

actually mr s i do agree with you, outsourcing is a failure of the management to modernise their business properly.

however, we the consumers are also guilty, since we go surfing to save a fiver, then moan cause we can't get service, or repairs.

what people do not appreciate is not the loss of the actual manufacturing jobs, but all the jobs which serviced the workers, your local chippie, newsagent, post office and of course pubs. they used to reckon that for everyone manufacturing job there were up to 5 other jobs dependent upon them, but the accountant's do not have responsibility for anyone else

so next time you ring around for the cheapest price, think about what you are doing.
paul

[dom]

Even some of the better toolshops favour Faithfulshit, worse tools and drill bits in the world, closely followed by Drapercrap.

[paulchapman]

dom said:

Even some of the better toolshops favour Faithfulshit

What makes me laugh is that Faithfulshit supply one of their planes in a nice wooden box, as if it's something special

Cheers

Paul

[engineerone]

could the faithful box be the thing that costs money

paul

[Scrit]

Christmas is comiong, so can we have a verse of "Oh, Come all ye Faithful"?

[mrgrimsdale]

What's wrong with Faithful? Even though crap are they remediable, value for money praps after a bit of fettling?
I asked this some time ago and nobody answered.
Just wondered. I don't believe all cheapo stuff is good even though I might give that impression. It's more that the top end stuff gives you little for the extra dosh.

heers
Jacob

[mrgrimsdale]

scrit said:

dirtydeeds said:

bacho 343s

with the exception of london pattern registered mortice chisels

nothing comes close for heavy duty use

Now there's a man who needs to try some real, old-fashioned "pig-stickers" (heavy bolstered mortise chisels). Cue Mr G? ;D

Like a lot of people on here I've been fidding with hand tools lately, more than usual, for it's own sake.
I've found a use for the massive 2 1/2inch firmer chisel I bought on ebay a bit back - it's perfect for the sides of the haunched bit of a mortice as you cut down and leave a long straight cut at the depth needed. You could mark the chisel with a pencil. Then a pig sticker is perfect for removing the waste, paring- bevel down, as it stays nice and square to the sides. Makes a trim stopped mortice in fact.
It used to be the last remaining job for which I'd use a router, but its now quicker, quieter etc by hand. ;D ;D

cheers
Jacob

[mrspanton]

I am not a green fanatic by any means, the environmental isue is a minor one compared to the concentration of manufacturing facility's in china at the expense of our own industry, and the cosy relationship betwen global minded "no such thing as nation state's any more" hypocrite entrepereurs and chinease party officials. Chris Patten (and his big chum ted heath) epitomised that anti-patriotic anti-nationalist mindset. And any way wether greenhouse gases resulting from production of electricity/plastics/chemical's/oil/steel/cars/electonic consumer good's etc etc was produced here or in china it has the same effect. But if they exploit the cheap wages and non existent labour laws in china (socialist state yeah right) they can make a bigger slice of profit (after they pay off the party officials-do they really do that at trade fairs and so on, pay bribes to oil the wheels etc?? or is that in the realms of fantasy?)

engineerone said:

so next time you ring around for the cheapest price, think about what you are doing.
paul

I do think about it frequently, and when I have thought about it I come to the conclusion theres a vast difference between genuine free enterprise and the tedious, soul less capitalist collectivism as it manifest's itself nowadays in shopping centre's, retail parks even on line in some cases.
To get back to chisles, as I said I dont buy chinease version's, luckily there are still excellent british made ones still around on ebay and so on, I'm happy to take advantage of that supply, at bargain prices, it suits me. And I regularly buy supplies (thinners, turpentine, oils, waxes, drills, files etc etc at 2 local ironmonger's (yes there are still a few!), because it supports free enterprise (as opposed to capitalist collectivism) there prices are often competitive, its nice to go and visit in a shop, especialy for kids. I employ a local blacksmith to make tools, I source nearly all my timber (including fire wood) from properly managed local coppice woodland's. I source some foods from local farm shop's. You get the picture. Capitalist collectivism says lowest price is best no matter what consequences. Free enterprise says let me give you best value for your money, even if its not necesarily the lowest price .

[dom]

I suspect we'd all like to live like that.
Fiver gets you ten if you can do that near London though.

[jmk89]

One of the few things that Australia hasn't exported are Titan chisels (they stopped being made about 30 years ago). They were made in Tasmania and were really good - tough with steel that took and kept its edge.

When I found a set of the less common Titan bevel chisels, I financed their acquisition by selling my early C20 EA Berg bevel chisels. That was a decision I have never regretted.

If you want a treat, get hold of one - the firmers are quite common on eBay Oz and relatively cheap.

[Scrit]

Just thought I'd publish a gratuitous pic of some "pig stickers" in case anyone doesn't know what they look like:



Scrit

[engineerone]

more porn from the pennines,

pigs had better look out ;D

nice though scrit

paul

[jfc]

I just won a couple of those on ebay ;D aswell as this lot cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130174376806

[engineerone]

i think jammy b*****d is a good line,
but with all this work on ebay, how do you find time to make all that you do ;D

paul

[jfc]

I may just start trying to sell some of my crap on there whilst the market is hot.

Problem there is that it needed to be good when you bought it new .
Will we be seeing ole brassy on ebay some time soon ?

[jfc]

So what are some good names to look out for ? In my lot i revieved today i have a couple of Ward , an I.Sorby and one with a tree stamped on it but i cant make out the name .

[colincott]

Hi Jason

Well you lucky boy

I am not sure about the tree one but the others are good names

[jfc]

Looks like it says Hawhood Sheffield

[jake]

Palm tree = Mawhood, I think.

[colincott]

Looks like on wrongens there

[Alf]

Yeah, sounds like it. Mahwood Brothers, 1881-1960. Should all be okay - previous abuse allowing.

Cheers, Alf