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Post by paulchapman on Dec 14, 2007 8:36:55 GMT
I bought a Record 148 dowelling jig back in about 1971. Like most people who own one, I reckon it's the best dowelling jig ever made. I don't use it much since getting a biscuit jointer but still find it very useful for various jobs. Recently I had to drill some dowel holes to temporarily fit four legs to a table top so that I could take measurements for the side rails. The holes needed to be very accurate so I wanted to use my jig. Because the table top was 3' in diameter and the legs were 3" square, with the ends cut at an angle, I decided to fit two bush carriers to the 12" rods to drill the ends of the legs like this  And fit two bush carriers to the 3' rods to drill the table top like this  Clamped it to the table top with G cramps each end and a block of wood over two spare bush carriers. In order to ensure that the bush carriers were the same distance apart on both sets of rods, I used a Veritas set-up block between the carriers when fitting them. The holes were spot on  Don't think I could have done that with most dowelling jigs. Cheers  Paul PS The Record 148 is, sadly, no longer made but you can sometimes pick them up second-hand. 3' rods were not a standard item but Record made them up for me as a special order in the days when they were more customer-focused |
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Post by Scrit on Dec 14, 2007 10:55:03 GMT
3' rods were not a standard item but Record made them up for me as a special order in the days when they were more customer-focused Of course you could get by with 3/8in diameter silver steel rod and a bit of judicious filing of the ends if you ever needed extras/specials/replacements, does the trick if not as nice looking Scrit Another #148 "fan" |
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Post by colincott on Dec 14, 2007 16:37:25 GMT
I remember now it was you two that got me started on the #148's and I now have three set ( from ebay ), 3' rods and 2' now ;D As you might have guess that I am a fan too Ps I still look for bushes as they do come up sometimes Scrit Where do you get 3/8 silver rods as I have had problems getting them as long as I wanted  |
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Post by Scrit on Dec 14, 2007 16:44:01 GMT
I've had mine from the local engineer's merchants. My local one is called K-Supplies and they cover a large part of North east Lancashire. The steel comes in rods up to 6 ft long. Have you thought about asking someone like Tilgear in Cuffley?
Scrit
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Post by andy on Dec 14, 2007 17:09:52 GMT
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Post by Alf on Dec 14, 2007 18:35:45 GMT
Well this is all very well, but how many of you are using appropriate dowel bits with square shanks for your brace, eh? C'mon, this is the hand tools forum. ;D
Cheers, Alf
Almost succumbing to dowel jig-envy, which is ridiculous...
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Post by andy king on Dec 14, 2007 18:44:14 GMT
I would also consider looking at the Joint Genie www.joint-genie.co.uk/ as an alternative - a sublime pice of kit utilising the old woodworking face and edge referencing to it's full. Although seemingly expensive, it will cope with pretty well every application where you may want to use a dowel, and is very simple to use, and accurate. Definitely one that I would recommend to anyone. Andy |
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Post by DrillDude on Dec 14, 2007 18:45:38 GMT
Well this is all very well, but how many of you are using appropriate dowel bits with square shanks for your brace, eh? C'mon, this is the hand tools forum. ;D Cheers, Alf Almost succumbing to dowel jig-envy, which is ridiculous... I do (well, some times). As for p*wer drills and jiggies, I simply make my own from scraps laying about. I do use the drill jig bushings LV uses on their shelf drilling system. DD |
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Post by colincott on Dec 14, 2007 19:04:25 GMT
Scrit Tilgrear do the 3/8 silver steel but only at 13'' but have not asked if they can get it longer  Thanks for that Andy As there is one in Stratford with is not that far from me ;D |
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Post by dom on Dec 14, 2007 19:21:49 GMT
Interesting Paul, thank you.
Does this mean the table is nearly finished ;D
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Post by paulchapman on Dec 14, 2007 21:37:55 GMT
Interesting Paul, thank you. Does this mean the table is nearly finished ;D Are you asking silly questions again ;D ;D |
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Post by paulchapman on Dec 14, 2007 21:42:18 GMT
Incidentally, if anyone has any 10mm drill bushes for the Record #148 that they don't want and would be happy to sell, I'm looking for six of them. Cheers Paul |
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Post by evergreen on Dec 14, 2007 21:49:33 GMT
Paul
If I recall, didn't the Record 148 cost something like £3 or thereabouts in 1971? I can remember looking at one and thinking it cost the equivalent of a week's full shopping in Sainsburys. Ah, times were hard then. Young kids today, don't know they're born.......etc, etc.
Regards.
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Post by paulchapman on Dec 14, 2007 21:58:52 GMT
Paul If I recall, didn't the Record 148 cost something like £3 or thereabouts in 1971? I can remember looking at one and thinking it cost the equivalent of a week's full shopping in Sainsburys. Ah, times were hard then. Young kids today, don't know they're born.......etc, etc. Regards. Yes, it was either £3 or £5  That year I also bought a Record #4, Stanley #60.5, a Stanley spiral ratchet screwdriver, a Record Corrucut, a Workmate (the genuine Ron Hickman one) and, with 17 books of Green Shield Stamps, a Black & Decker 2-speed drill. And I built my first kitchen with that lot ;D The good old days........ ;D Cheers Paul |
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Post by Scrit on Dec 15, 2007 16:47:08 GMT
Well this is all very well, but how many of you are using appropriate dowel bits with square shanks for your brace, eh? C'mon, this is the hand tools forum. ;D Well I've got them (Imperial sizes), but I use the metric bbushes with a cordless drill  Can't get the Imperial dowels all that readily I find............ Scrit |
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Post by evergreen on Dec 15, 2007 18:31:58 GMT
Paul Yes, it was either £3 or £5 That year I also bought a Record #4, Stanley #60.5, a Stanley spiral ratchet screwdriver, a Record Corrucut, a Workmate (the genuine Ron Hickman one) and, with 17 books of Green Shield Stamps, a Black & Decker 2-speed drill. And I built my first kitchen with that lot ;D The good old days........ ;D Cheers Paul That lot must have added up to about £20!!! You weren't a member of the Great Train Robbery Gang by any chance, were you? Regards. |
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Post by paulchapman on Dec 15, 2007 19:19:17 GMT
Paul Yes, it was either £3 or £5 That year I also bought a Record #4, Stanley #60.5, a Stanley spiral ratchet screwdriver, a Record Corrucut, a Workmate (the genuine Ron Hickman one) and, with 17 books of Green Shield Stamps, a Black & Decker 2-speed drill. And I built my first kitchen with that lot ;D The good old days........ ;D Cheers Paul That lot must have added up to about £20!!! You weren't a member of the Great Train Robbery Gang by any chance, were you? Regards. Two incomes and no kids at that point - later that year we bought our first house and soon after our daughter was born, and I've been broke ever since......  ;D |
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That year I also bought a Record #4, Stanley #60.5, a Stanley spiral ratchet screwdriver, a Record Corrucut, a Workmate (the genuine Ron Hickman one) and, with 17 books of Green Shield Stamps, a Black & Decker 2-speed drill. And I built my first kitchen with that lot 
Can't get the Imperial dowels all that readily I find............