bench drill

[chill]

Hi have the chance of a bench drill and wondered if anybody had any info on this model- Progress 2G also marketed as Elliott and/or Victoria I think. are spares available,they any good,how much to pay etc

thanks

Chris

[Scrit]

Elliott were a British manufacturer of engineering machinery from drill presses (branded Elliott Progress) like this one:



right up to lathes, shapers and milling machines (I learned how to turn on an Elliott lathe), so they did make good quality stuff, in the same league as Meddings, Pollard, Ajax, Fobco, etc., however, the usual caveats apply, namely check the quill for excessive backlash and slop, make sure that the castings are all undamaged (no welded-up cracks, etc) and that the table doesn't look like a 20-year old dart board. It's always looking for units with a buyilt-in low-voltage lamp and (on floor models) a foot stop switch as these accessories make using any drill a bit easier

As to spares, no chance. The bearings, belts and if need be pulleys should all be available from someone like Wyko or Bearing Services (BSL), electrical components are easily replaced by modern equivalents (in reality there's normally only a DoL starter) and the motor is flange-mounted so if it or the pulleys go phut Machine Mart should be able to help. In reality if you avoid worn-out sloppy machines or thoise which have been dropped and welded-up there's nothing so special in the parts list of any drill press that you'd need to find an OEM component.

Scrit

[mel]

hi chill
depending on your location
dirtydeeds has a pillar drill for sale in the "for sale section"
HTH
mel

[chill]

thanks Scrit, drill looks to be in very good nick, although bench mounted has foot peddle (press to start),lever emergency stop dangling near chuck,brake, all after market I think.
There appears to be an oil filled gear box on the left hand side,wonder how does it work?
as there are stepped pulleys on motor and drive shaft . Has anybody got an operating manual I could borrow please

cheers Chris

[pj]

The gear box is for selecting high or low and use the belts to give different speeds. Gearboxs are not normally a problem apart from the odd leak, which in an engineering environment isn't a problem. There is more issues with the quill return spring breaking, and these are impossible to get. You possibly could get a spring company to make one. It is possible to soften the broken end and reform, but really this is a make shift job.
These are good drills built to take on the rigors of an engineering life. The one you describe sounds like it could be out of a teaching Establishment and may have not seen that much work.

Hope this helps

Philip

[Scrit]

pj said:

There is more issues with the quill return spring breaking, and these are impossible to get. You possibly could get a spring company to make one.

From experience many years back this is a straight forward job for a small spring maker - the spring is made from flat stock and the ends are often just rivetted on. I'm lucky enough to have one locally, although there are some parts of the world (notable West Bromwich and a few other parts of the Black Country) where thety are relatively easy to find

Scrit

[pj]

Scrit, Is there such a thing as 'small manufacturer' in anything produced now
Re-forming the end gets you out of the hole your in when it breaks until you can find a replacement, but don't re tension it as tight, and remember to reduce the max amount you extend the quill and your make shift could last quite some time. Mind there is only so many times you can get away with this ;D

Philip

[chill]

P.J thanks for the info spring appears to be good, would the gearbox need draining to move it(will need to lay it on its side)
Scrit cheers Im in Dorset so midlands too far but I recall a local spring manufacturer supplied
my previous employer so hopeful of sourcing locally if needed
will go ahead and purchase and let you all know when installed

cheers Chris

[pj]

Chill, keep the gearbox side facing up and the head slightly elevated if possible and there should be no need to remove oil.

Philip

[chill]

Thanks very much PJ

[Scrit]

pj said:

Scrit, is there such a thing as 'small manufacturer' in anything produced now

I take your point - they are a lot less common than they were even 20 years ago but there are still some people making things for a living, just......

If this machine has an oil-filled gearbox then it's probably a lot bigger and heavier than the small drill I illustrated. Hope your bench is man enough, Chris ;D

Scrit

[chill]

thanks Scrit next project new drill bench ;D


cheers Chris

[oldjoiner]

Try here

Address
Gate Machinery International Ltd
Unit B, Penfold Trading Estate
Imperial Way
Watford
Herts
WD24 4YY

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Bought some spares april 2003 or 2004, not sure which. Have the back-geared version as you describe, also have the manual. Can scan and email if you still need it. Beware, it will drop more oil than a british motor bike, (with apologies to all bike owners and riders).

[9fingers]

I use one of these 2Gs at work. it is in an electronics lab where we make prototypes and people wear there normal clothes and no overalls.
The drill used to leak just as Oldjoiner says and gave users a characteristic horizontal stripe of oil across the chest.
I fitted an inverted tuna fish tin (empty!!) around the bottom of the quill and any oil slung out by the spindle is caught by the tin and drips on the table, usually after use when it can be wiped up by the next user.
I also changed the oil to a heavy grade gear oil EP90 I think which is not the correct oil for the gearing but in such a light duty application this does not matter. This has stopped all the other leaks. I did this about 20 years ago and it is still holding up.

Bob

[chill]

thanks Oldjoiner,will try them for spares when I need them.If your offer for a copy of the manual still stands I would much appreciate it.
Thanks Bob, will wear best stripped jumper when using it ;D


sorry for late reply self inflicted ban over xmas ;D