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Post by Stree on Dec 4, 2007 21:12:36 GMT
Looked in here once or twice, and decided to join, note a few familiar names here too !
Might as well ask for a few opinions whilst I am at it.......
Just fitted some kitchen worktops, nothing fancy, 40mm postformed laminate, masons mitre 90% and trim to length. Ages since I did any of these and I used to use a mates DW 625(?) but that's no longer available since I moved home so I conscripted my old Elu 177 from its table mounted duties for the task......Job eventually finished fine, but forgot what a brute the 177 can be for handheld work...............wants to leap out of the window when you fire it up.
So I thought about leaving the Elu in the table and getting a router for such as worktops etc.. But. the DW is the same as the 177 but with the softstart like the Elu177E, so is there really any advantage in getting a DW as well, or just put up with the wrestling match at the start of a cut?
The Elu has just had a new switch, brushes and bearing about 20 working hours ago and is straight and true although unlovely to look at.
Thoughts welcome..
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Post by dirtydeeds on Dec 4, 2007 22:09:17 GMT
welcome stree
personally id leave the mule kicker in the router table and buy a soft start for hand held use
but i wouldnt buy the DW625, id buy another make not a clone copy
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Post by Stree on Dec 4, 2007 22:22:02 GMT
My thoughts too really DD, thanks for the input, but which other router? limited funds at the moment because new workshop to set up and new location so work isnt exactly flowing in yet, and in a way thats good because I can get on with the workshop which has to be ready before I can take work on............. I have seen a Fesatassi?? on ebay, thats seems quite heavy duty, do you know anything about these?
Considered a Triton, but not really explored these yet because they seem more suited to table mounting, which they do look good for, and reviews find fault with the midrange offerings such as Hitachi, generally with ergonomics and user friendliness rather than performance.
I dont mind waiting until I have the funds for a decent router, but open to advice on user owners own thoughts for what constututes a "Good" router for fairly heavy but accurate work
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Post by dirtydeeds on Dec 4, 2007 22:31:51 GMT
festool OF1400 covers all the bases
except one, your most important, price
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Post by motownmartin on Dec 4, 2007 22:39:07 GMT
festool OF1400 covers all the bases except one, your most important, price dirtydeeds has got festool shares ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by mailee on Dec 4, 2007 22:44:39 GMT
Hello Martin and welcome. As for the router I personally have the De Walt 625 and find it great for worktops. The soft start does help a lot in hand held use. If this is a little out of budget then I would suggest the Freud as i also have one of these and find it another good router with plenty of power and soft start too. I have also heard and know that a lot of tradesmen use the big makita for worktops although i am not sure if this has soft start or not. ( I haven't got one of these......yet)  Got to admit though that the De Walt is pretty bullet proof and mine has had a few dives off worktops in the past and still works well.  |
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Post by Stree on Dec 4, 2007 23:06:27 GMT
Has Motown Martin just joined as well? Hello Martin !
Noted the comments re the DW mailee, ( was in Grimsby today BTW, that where the job was ) AS DD says the DW 625 is a direct clone of the Elu i77 (e) so ought to be half decent. I bought the Elu about 20 years ago as a reconditioned unit, and its hardly cost a thing to run and its still running fine. But I think its best relegated to the table now.
Back to what the Festool shareholders Club recommends.....Had a quick google and it looks a nice machine, could probably find one new for £300 or less ( in fact found one already for £250, not new though,used "twice ") but the thing that concerns me is the rating... 1400watt? is a fair bit less than what I would expect for a heavy duty router. Depends how the power is utilised I suppose.........Quite tempted though...
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Post by jfc on Dec 4, 2007 23:11:26 GMT
The 625 is the trade router , I just wish Default would realise this and put the old specs back into it . The Moff177e is also a trade favorate . I use the Moff in the Legacy and the 625 in the router table and dammmmmm do i hammer the hell out of them !
As far as i am aware Elu made both the 625 and then the MOFF177e before selling it to DeFault .
P.S both have xtreame xtetions fitted into the collet .
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Post by dirtydeeds on Dec 4, 2007 23:21:37 GMT
im actually the MD of the festool shiners and polishers union and i expect more respect from you lot 1400 watts, its perfectly happy with worktops |
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Post by Stree on Dec 4, 2007 23:29:26 GMT
Thanks for the insight JFC, as you say they are both trade rated machines, but buying the DW is like getting another Elu177, so I fancy a change. Plus dont really like DW stuff apart from the better RAS range, certainly not the cordless stuff. Just a personal thing, not knocking the brand as poor quality but as so rightly said in that play on words, its "default" Everyone has one, because the brand is marketed so well....and the DIY market is a stronger influence on their output than the trade market
If I can get DD to do the 20 minute drive through the Dartford tunnel, and do some parcel posting, or get a contact number from him, it might well be the Festool offering . As long as I can resolve the power output issue.........1400 watt seems on the low side..
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Post by Stree on Dec 4, 2007 23:31:31 GMT
BTW, Is Festool an abbreviation of Fetish Tool?
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Post by jfc on Dec 4, 2007 23:35:01 GMT
Thinking about it ive never managed to slow the 625 or the moff down . I have managed to stop the 3HP spindle moulder so you can guess i dont make little cuts ;D I have managed to slow down other lower powered routers and its a pain in the ar*e that they wont do the job . Not a dig just a trade comment on what i have used . I would like to try the Festool but Steve just kick me in the b*ll*cks Maskery gets all the free ones ;D
I think the 625 is still the best router on the market and Elu sussed the design years ago . It's just a shame that DeFault keep using cheaper parts . Thats why i call them DeFault and wont buy any of thier tools other than the 625 . I've burnt to many of their tools out to waste my time buying them again !
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Post by Stree on Dec 4, 2007 23:40:52 GMT
JFC, Its true, the routers ( practically the same unit apart from colours and trim ) are tough, but are also brush motors, the spindle is likely an induction motor with more finesse and less brute force. No doubt a more in depth techie explanation is available, but I know what you mean.
At the price, I expect to still be able to listen to radio 4 whilst using the Festool......
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Post by motownmartin on Dec 4, 2007 23:44:47 GMT
im actually the MD of the festool shiners and polishers union and i expect more respect from you lot 1400 watts, its perfectly happy with worktops Sorry sir  please forgive me for using a Triton ;D |
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Post by jfc on Dec 4, 2007 23:51:10 GMT
The Triton AAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH what a pain in the back side that is ! Flip the lid to turn it on , twist the handle to do this , twist it the other way to do that Up and down is all you need on a router . I lasted about 30 seconds on the triton before i wanted to launch it . |
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Post by motownmartin on Dec 4, 2007 23:59:04 GMT
The Triton AAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH what a pain in the back side that is ! Flip the lid to turn it on , twist the handle to do this , twist it the other way to do that Up and down is all you need on a router . I lasted about 30 seconds on the triton before i wanted to launch it . Only Kidding, i use performance power ;D |
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Post by jake on Dec 4, 2007 23:59:22 GMT
Triton is sh*t except in a table.
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Post by motownmartin on Dec 5, 2007 0:02:20 GMT
Triton is sh*t except in a table. Well said Jake |
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Post by jfc on Dec 5, 2007 0:18:10 GMT
He got the point across didnt he ;D
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Post by Scrit on Dec 5, 2007 6:54:39 GMT
Hi stree and welcom. 'fraid I'm another member of the DW625 User Association with a DW625 AND a late model MOF177e (the earlier ones really are better). The Felisatti you've seen was sold in the UK as a Woodcut Trading 1700 and with a modified base as a Trend T9. The same machine with monor changes was also sold until recently by Fein in the USA and is still available badged "Metabo", however, it's not really a wonderful piece of kit, and even Trend must have reached the same conclusioon as their cutrrent big routers, the T10 and T11 are clobnes of the DW625 (made by deWalt). I'm told the T11 is particularly good for table work.
If you want a quiet large router then one to consider is the Bosch GOF2000ACE which is probably the quetest nig router around (sorry, DD, but it's quieter than the Festool/Mafell 2000 watt offering). It's prtedecessor, the GOF1700ACE was also a very quiet router. On the upside, whilst these model's don't use the same collets/nuts as the DW, they can use the same fences
Scrit
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Post by Stree on Dec 5, 2007 7:51:16 GMT
Hello Scrit and thanks for the welcome.
I would not normally have considered Bosch after negative experience with some of their other product range but the router sounds like it may be a contender, so will do some research
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Post by jake on Dec 5, 2007 10:03:07 GMT
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Post by motownmartin on Dec 5, 2007 10:28:54 GMT
Well said Jake I'm glad to see your incessantly rolling eyes have made it over here as well! I'm sure there must be medication for that affliction. Are you going to get upset if I complain about the moderators here as well? I mean, that Dom is a right tyrant. Oh and what I said is true, at least for me. The big Triton is fantastic in a table, and I wouldn't swap it for anything in that role. Compared to the other big routers I've owned (MOF177e, CMT derivant, Bosch 1700ACE) it's simply rubbish (or sh*t possibly a more descriptive way of putting it) the right way up. Oh, and for good measure, the little Triton is pants, full stop, either way up - wanna buy one?  Was it something I said  |
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Post by jake on Dec 5, 2007 10:30:58 GMT
Was it something I said What made you think that ? |
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Post by motownmartin on Dec 5, 2007 10:51:14 GMT
Was it something I said What made you think that ? A spoonful of sugar should take away the bitterness |
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Got to admit though that the De Walt is pretty bullet proof and mine has had a few dives off worktops in the past and still works well. 
please forgive me for using a Triton ;D
Was it something I said 