Just registered, so saying "hello"

[jake]

Rhubarb, Rhubarb, Rhubarb, give it a rest, who gives a horses hoof.

edit: forgot the smileys, oh no!

[jfc]

Now now girls , play nice ;D

[jake]

I blew him a kiss in my last post, Jason, what more do you want?

[jfc]

well if your offering i'll PM you ;D

[motownmartin]

jake said:

I blew him a kiss in my last post, Jason, what more do you want?

How sweet, or it could have been if you had your spoonful of sugar first

[jake]

motownmartin said:

_{I am rubbish with words but good with my hands}

So is that a promise then?

[jaco]

Welcome Stree!

Just ignore half of what has been said above.
They are actually quite a knowledgeable bunch of good old wan..?? people. (sorry we have to be polite here, cant offend the old people like Dom) In the PUB we can express views far more freely and openly.
Just dont get too personal, unless its old Dom. He takes some time to getting used to.
;D ;D ;D ;D

[dom]

Bloody hotel, I called them and told them to lock you in.

[mailee]

Not too sure maybe Scrit can comment on this but I heard that the guide bushes are special to the Bosch routers and the common or garden ones won't fit?? I have owned a small Bosch router but not one of the big ones.

[Stree]

Good point Mailee, perhaps the Festool has the same individual requirements as well?
Worth noting because all the add ons templates adaptors etc that you might have with a "standard"machine might have to be bought again for a specific machine which could ramp the cost up quite a bit..

[Stree]

Thanks for the welcome jaco ! and its OK, I know what to ignore, and when to listen.....what is information and what is whittering..

Your profile says you are located in Joberg. are you there permanently? I stayed in Randberg for a short time, some very interesting timber over there ....

[Scrit]

mailee said:

Not too sure maybe Scrit can comment on this but I heard that the guide bushes are special to the Bosch routers and the common or garden ones won't fit??

Well take a look at the Trend equivalence list which may be found in their printed catalogues and you might get a surprise. It's not just the Bosch routers which have "non-standard" guide bushes. I suppose most people are used to the Trend standard:



which in turn originated with the old Elu MOF69/MOF96 designs and has been perpetuated by Trend. In the USA the "standard" is a completely different beast, it is the Porter-Cable threaded guide bush, like these:



Festools on the other hand use a completely different guide bush which looks similar, but is a different size (so far as I'm aware):



Oddly enough the Mafell routers - technically similar to the Festool ones (and coming off the same production lines) use a 3-screw, "lugged" guide bush design!

In fact the Bosch routers use a bayonet click-in guide bush design rather than a screw-in one:



The only way to end up using the same guide bushes across a range of different routers is to invest in an auxilliary base system such as the Trend Unibase:



which uses the Trend/Elu "standard" guide bushes, although this reduces the height of cut available by about 6mm.

I find that for most purposes a 30mm guide bush is the most useful - and all router manufacturers do these for 1/2in routers because they are the de facto standard for kitchen worktop jigs. Other than that you may find the manufacturer's standard guide bush range a bit limited.

Whilst on the subject of interchangeability it may be well worth taking a look at both the collect systems and fences used by different manufacturers. On 1/2in routers the following routers all share the same collet design:

Elu MOF177 / deWalt DW624 / deWalt DW625 / deWalt DW626 / Freud 2000 / CMT 1850 / Trend T10 /Trend T11 / Mafell OF65e / Festool OF2000

whilst for fences yo may find compatibility between the Elu / deWalt designs and ohers, for example Bosch routers will use Elu fences (at least the GOF900 and GOF1700 did) but the larger Bosch routers may require 9.5mm (3/8in) fence rods as opposed to the 10mm diameter ones supplied with the Elu/deWalt

All worth looking into if buying two different routers

Scrit

[woof]

my opinion...

Trend TRA001...recently sold it on ebay. A heavy beast and too wieldy for accurate handheld use for me. Allegedly its good in a table, howerer I bought a trend table and the trend t11. SO far I am happy with this, just as much as a beast, but has the advantage that you can adjust the cutter height from above through the table. each (marked) 1/3 of a turn lowers or raises collet 0.5mm which is a really useful trick. So dar the only thing I am not ecstatic with is that to change cutters, the collet cannot poke through the table, so you have to drop it and and use the supplied (meaty) spanner to undo and replace the collet. However, the through the table height adjuster more than makes up for me. ;D Best of all ... it;s a power toooooooooooooool

Disclaimer: I am a newbie and a bungling idiot who has yet to get a full complement of tools.

[Tony]

In support of Jake:

For those of you who don't read both forums, we may have a traitor in our midst.

I understand where you're coming from Jake ;D ;D ;D , if you get my jist.....

[Scrit]

Have you thought about two accessories, a collet extender and a WoodRat plunge bar? Could help cure some of your ills

Scrit

[Stree]

Thanks Scrit, most enlightening. As it happens I am using a Trend Unibase in my Elu 177 to carry the 30mm guide bush, and its a dreadful piece of kit. It has never been abused yet it is cracked, has random pieces breaking away and falling off..Looks like a very cheap plastic, and so would be only too pleased to get away from the "Trend standard " if that is what it has to offer.
I do have another Trend Item, the little router, is it a T3? its a bit of a toy, bought for £30 :00 at a Harrogate GNW show, has its limited uses, but not in any accurate work. Hate having to strip it down just so it fits in its case.
Been thinking about which way to go with this next router, and it may well be retro..... Another Elu 177 but the 177E this time for the handheld work..and leave the 177 in the table.........until I get a spindle moulder. But that will be another thread........

[Peter]

Tony said:

In support of Jake:

For those of you who don't read both forums, we may have a traitor in our midst.

I understand where you're coming from Jake ;D ;D ;D , if you get my jist.....

Show your face and people might believe you, I must say that I know Martin personally and he is a genuine guy.

[engineerone]

interesting that the trend unibase is supposed to fit many routers including my earliesh hitachi m12v, and it don't

too small

paul

[Stree]

Paul, actuallit was a "compromise " fit to my Elu 177, and if it will not fit that, then what is it based upon? Probably trend tolerances.......

[nickw]

woof said:

the collet cannot poke through the table, so you have to drop it and and use the supplied (meaty) spanner to undo and replace the collet.

Trend make (or at least used to) a cranked spanner that means you can change the bit from above the table.

[jake]

Lets move on, it's unlikely that I and the four or five 'militant loyalists' will ever get on - more because of their feelings than mine, but hey, who cares really. Apologies to the OP, I was just trying to add a brief summary of my experience with the Triton, which is, and remains:

The right way up: pants
The wrong way up: fab

And for trade use too plasticky and vulnerable mechanisms I would imagine.

[colincott]

jake said:

I was just trying to add a brief summary of my experience with the Triton, which is, and remains:

The right way up: pants
The wrong way up: fab

And for trade use too plasticky and vulnerable mechanisms I would imagine.

Thanks for that Jake as I was toying with the idea of getting one

[jfc]

Thanks for that Jake as I was toying with the idea of getting one

[lynx]

the triton is a great router for the table, but outside of that it's pretty crap. Far too much p**sing about with things.

[9fingers]

For anyone looking to buy a Triton router, I had a bit of time to kill on a business trip the other day.
B&Q Cheltenham had a few at £149, B&Q Gloucester had some at £197 and B&Q Patchwood - Bristol had no sign of any triton kit.
It certainly seems worth trying a few stores in an area.

Bob