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Post by thallow on Apr 4, 2008 17:41:02 GMT
Whilst ripping a normal looking piece of oak, once cut it looked like this?  Firstly is this spalted? Second can I use it alonjg with 'normal' oak as part of my corner cupboard or are its properties different? (ie will it warp or shrink faster etc?)  If feels lighter, other than that I was wondering if it is as strong and will it take danish oil just the same? Cheers ;D |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Apr 4, 2008 19:39:52 GMT
"spaltered" is a posh name for "rotting"  This can sometimes make interesting effects but is often hard to make meaningfully distinct from merely "rotten old bit of wood" J Krenov made it fashionable; big boring cliche in fact. cheers Jacob |
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Post by modernist on Apr 4, 2008 19:57:30 GMT
I love it ;D ;D
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Post by jfc on Apr 4, 2008 20:38:56 GMT
I would say that was sap wood but i dont machine my own timber from sawn so have no dealings with sapwood .
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Post by modernist on Apr 4, 2008 20:41:46 GMT
My dad agrees with Jacob!
Brian
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Apr 4, 2008 20:50:11 GMT
Surprised that old Jim K didn't discover "vermicularised" wood, and all the interesting effects esp when combined with "spaltered".
I've got stacks of both and am looking at making some funny little useless cupboards on spindly legs. I could be a contender!
cheers
Jacob
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Post by thallow on Apr 4, 2008 21:18:19 GMT
So is it Knac****d then or can I use it?
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Post by jfc on Apr 4, 2008 21:31:33 GMT
I would use it but then i like wood that sticks out like a sore thumb , most people dont . I wouldnt use it on a paid job
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Post by modernist on Apr 4, 2008 21:56:14 GMT
So is it Knac****d then or can I use it? Go for it  |
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Post by robo on Apr 4, 2008 23:17:05 GMT
Spalted wood can be be "sound" if it has not gone too far - cannot tell from your photos? The stuff to avoid is when it goes soft, powdery and has holes in it.
Should only be used for decorative effect and may look odd if mixed with "normal" wood - unless you want it for a feature?
R
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Post by cadas on Apr 5, 2008 5:07:08 GMT
It is sapwood, cut too close to the edge of the board. On a big board of waney oak, the first 1-2 inches is like that.
It is lighter and often fluffier than oak from further in and will always look different.
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Post by paulm on Apr 5, 2008 6:47:40 GMT
More familiar with spalted beech as I have loads of it and 'turners love it for the extra character it gives to bowls, vases, turned fruit etc.
Picked up some freshly cut "spare" beech logs a few years ago from a building site where they had just taken down a large beech tree, and left them stacked in the driveway for a while where they spalted. Took them into the workshop where the spalting then stops progressing once in the dry. If you let it go too far then the wood gets too "corky" and soft and is unuseable, but caught earlier and you can get some teriffic patterning and colouring.
The other main use tends to be for small decorative boxes or panels in a frame and panel construction, where the patterning is made a feature.
Would not be keen on using it in a structural component, and yes it will tend to react to a finish differently typically being more absorbent and a bit of a woolier surface than sound wood.
No experience of spalting in oak, and the pics are a bit out of focus so not sure that is what you have got but I guess there is no reason why spalting couldn't occur in any timber.
Will post some pics of some examples later if I can be a*s*d to find the camera !
Cheers, Paul ;D
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Post by gazza on Apr 5, 2008 14:37:29 GMT
It will be ok to use it, as long as you dont mind it sticking out like a sore thumb  I personally like a bit of character in wood, and have used spalted pieces of oak with no problems at all. Cheers, Gazza. |
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Post by thallow on Apr 6, 2008 11:59:56 GMT
Hmm thats it then Im gonna use it I think, it is not a paid job (it is for me big sister) and this is just a hobby! it is beautiful and like a few of you have said it certainly adds a bit of character! Will post pics when complete - shed too cold today so I am sat in front of the woodburner drinking coffee ;D ;D
Thanks for the advice!
Cheers
Thallow
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Post by wrongnail on Apr 6, 2008 14:52:52 GMT
I'm with Jacob on this one! Sell it to an 'arty' turner. Then it might end up as a bowl, that is about as useful as a handbrake on an air-balloon. John  |
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Post by thallow on Apr 6, 2008 16:56:57 GMT
I'm with Jacob on this one! Sell it to an 'arty' turner. Then it might end up as a bowl, that is about as useful as a handbrake on an air-balloon. John Hmm sounds good, I might try ebay - do you think they have a section for 'Rotten Wood' ;D |
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Post by wrongnail on Apr 7, 2008 11:55:06 GMT
I think so Thall, It's best searched for under, 'For Restoration' ! John |
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Roger
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Post by Roger on Apr 7, 2008 20:33:40 GMT
This what a LOT of Spalted Birch looks like in a piece - not finished at the time  Not my particular cup of tea, but it sure does stand out  |
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Post by robo on Apr 7, 2008 21:25:54 GMT
Have to agree with Roger - way too much spalting here for me.
Also it's of differing pattern (except for the top piece) and orientation which makes it stand out even more.
R
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Post by thallow on Apr 7, 2008 21:28:14 GMT
This what a LOT of Spalted Birch looks like in a piece - not finished at the time Not my particular cup of tea, but it sure does stand out Wow your telling me it stands out!! quite nice actually, I do like the look of that; it certainly would be a conversation piece if you had visitors! I take it this was for a client and not yourself then? great job either way does the spalted stuff generally cost a lot more or is there quite a lot of it about? |
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Post by tnimble on Apr 8, 2008 13:38:12 GMT
Thats sap wood that you've got. It is the younger wood in the tree located at the outside. It is this wood that transports the food and drink for the tree and where the bark forms. The inner hardwood is a more dense and complex wood which is heavier and gives the structural strength to the tree.
The wood in Rogers picture (beautiful picture, but the wood would suite another piece better in my opinion) is spalted wood. Spalted wood is not actually rotten wood. The spalting is a discolouration formed due to fungi. Some trees have tese during their lifetime. When a tree dies spalting can also occure due to other fungi that are destructive and cause rotting after spalting. Spalted wood have either white or dark pigmented lines between growth rings or has dark or light dots or stippling.
Common species include maple, birch, beech and elm not oak, mahony, teak and walnut.
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Roger
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Post by Roger on Apr 8, 2008 19:20:22 GMT
What Trimble said . . That explains it all As to the availability - the more common species (near the Scottish border anyway) are Birch, Beech, Elm and sometimes Walnut. Not overly expensive if you bargain; especially for Birch |
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