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Post by mrgrimsdale on Apr 11, 2008 16:58:37 GMT
Doesn't do to be too sensitive on this forum. There's a lot of general p**s taking and banter which is done for a laugh, but which can easily be misunderstood. Come to think Mrs G says I'm an opinionated bighead, for some reason. Oh well. Autocad not for me - I still use a pencil, though I've had a go with Illustrator. Too many learning curves, too little time! cheers Jacob PS had a go at the partition guide but it was a slow download so stopped. I'm not keen on pdfs unless I really want to print something out. Have you thought of doing it in plain html plus jpgs or gifs? Less tidy looking but much more accessible. I am not sensitive in fact very thick skinned sort of guy, but I gust can’t stand self-opinionated bighead guys like your good self that just love to go out of there way to criticise other peoples ideas that don’t fit within there own. Once again you have forced this thread off track so enough of this hand bags at dawn. I will just after to try and remember that you are self-opinionated bighead who just loves to get peoples backs up and throwing the brown stuff at the fan. No the guides will not be HTML or CSS just in PDF. Righty ho Alan  hope you cheer up soon ;D cheers Jacob |
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Apr 11, 2008 17:00:22 GMT
I think you may find that dental cornice in a kitchen may just be a bit of a pig to keep clean.
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Post by jfc on Apr 11, 2008 17:05:39 GMT
Ahhhhhh , He must have a Legacy ;D
I didnt think about the cleaning , thats that idea right out the window !
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Apr 11, 2008 18:45:58 GMT
Depends on how much frying you do - we've got old chip fat all over the place; very similar to Briwax "antique'
wossitcalled.
Lot of the dentils in wood I've seen are cheats: sawn profiles on the edge of a board stuck between 2 moulded profiles. Easy peasy.
cheers
Jacob
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Post by jfc on Apr 11, 2008 19:08:32 GMT
Very easy to cheat with the legacy ;D  Or the real deal above the windows .  |
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Apr 11, 2008 20:23:51 GMT
A very poor mans excuse for a detail moulding in the first photo, but that’s what you get from people in white coats telling people that’s all you can have these days. I have put an attachment on my original guide which may be of interest. |
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Post by jake on Apr 11, 2008 20:30:05 GMT
A very poor mans excuse for a detail moulding in the first photo, but that’s what you get from people in white coats telling people that’s all you can have these days. Hmm. I like the first one more than the second - give Jase hell! (but only if you can take it as well). |
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Post by jfc on Apr 11, 2008 21:12:29 GMT
The first one is known as a chocolate strip , maybe part of the dentil family you have not heard of . No one told me to do it i decided to do it because it looked good on the finished peice . But you are right the men in white coats did teach me for three years . All retired joiners teaching at the collage i attended as part of my apprentership .
The customer was very happy and ordered two more side units to go with it . Just because you dont like it does not make it a poor example .
I have a very open mind and am always willing to learn , that is why i posted my question rather than just making it . It is far more fun i find to look into things rather than just knowing the answer . I end up learning more , sometimes i dont but thats the internet for you .
The day i know it all will be the day i die .
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Apr 11, 2008 23:06:04 GMT
The first one is known as a chocolate strip , maybe part of the dentil family you have not heard of . No one told me to do it i decided to do it because it looked good on the finished peice . But you are right the men in white coats did teach me for three years . All retired joiners teaching at the collage i attended as part of my apprentership . The customer was very happy and ordered two more side units to go with it . Just because you dont like it does not make it a poor example . I have a very open mind and am always willing to learn , that is why i posted my question rather than just making it . It is far more fun i find to look into things rather than just knowing the answer . I end up learning more , sometimes i dont but thats the internet for you . The day i know it all will be the day i die . People in white coats are designers that have the brief to design a moulding to get the most pieces out of a tree and slowly brain wash the public in believing that’s the norm. The same white coats that work for the paint companies telling us what colour mahogany is etc. Your client may have been extremely happy with what you produced for them. Did you offer an alternative size and type dentil moulding i.e. one that was in proportion to the rest of the item? I am in the fortunate position to design and make my own mouldings and therefore I design the mouldings I use to be proportion to the item I am making. And therefore not restricted to what is available in the big sheds. Poor mans alternative is like offering electro plated brass to polished brass or gold plated to solid gold its nothing to do quality of work of workmanship. I am guessing that the particular trim is made by Richard Burbidge code CD04 and is 22 x 12, or by Winther Browne code C584 12 x 6.5mm or C585 20 x 7mm. If you have a scrap piece place it on a strip of timber say 32 x 12 with a small chamfer on one edge and you will see what a difference it will make. You will have a moulding that no one but you makes. So when your clients friend says to her favourite carpenter I want one of those that Dot has got she can’t because that carpenter can’t buy that moulding so she as to accept second best or find you out. The trouble with forums we some times get told what we need to know not what we would like to hear and that’s the way we learn. What I will guarantee you the next time you use such a trim you will thick about proportion. None of my comments are made at your workman ship but at your choice of trim you have used. I have had a go at drawing the dental mould over the window in your second photo and added it to my original guide. If you visit this page of my website you will see I too have served a five year apprenticeship in the days when your parents signed an official document or contract known as indentures. |
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Post by jfc on Apr 11, 2008 23:36:02 GMT
Just because your old doesnt make you right . Sleep tight old chap  |
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Post by woodyew on Apr 12, 2008 6:33:59 GMT
A very poor mans excuse for a detail moulding in the first photo, but that’s what you get from people in white coats telling people that’s all you can have these days. I have put an attachment on my original guide which may be of interest. And you have the cheek to call someone else 'big headed and self important'  |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Apr 12, 2008 7:42:15 GMT
And another thing you should do, village idiot, is to mark up links to pdfs so that one can see that they are pdfs - or you find yourself accidentally downloading multiple copies of your very wonderful guides, which you then have to find and delete, in the meantime forgetting to look at them ;D
PDFs best as an extra option for those who really do want to download and print off - otherwise not a convenient format IMHO
Keep taking the pills ;D ;D
Jacob
PS wots all this 'white coat', 'dental', 'indentures' stuff? You are not dentist by any chance?
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Post by andy on Apr 12, 2008 7:43:43 GMT
Just because your old doesn't make you right . No but I do find his posts thought provoking, although his style of writing may be interpreted differently and therefore he uses drawings to explain his ideas. Sometimes we have to be reminded to challenge what we have been taught and what we do otherwise we would not progress and come up with new ideas and designs Alan's posts have certainly poked this subject with a big stick which is sometimes required to get a healthy debate going rather than accepting the norm |
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Apr 12, 2008 7:59:19 GMT
Just because your old doesnt make you right . Sleep tight old chap I agree being old doesn’t make you right but it gives you years of experience to drawer on. We don’t always learn from those years but we learn or should learn from our and others past mistakes. And that’s the way we keep learning. |
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Apr 12, 2008 8:45:51 GMT
Just because your old doesn't make you right . No but I do find his posts thought provoking, although his style of writing may be interpreted differently and therefore he uses drawings to explain his ideas. Sometimes we have to be reminded to challenge what we have been taught and what we do otherwise we would not progress and come up with new ideas and designs Alan's posts have certainly poked this subject with a big stick which is sometimes required to get a healthy debate going rather than accepting the norm My style of writing together with my spelling and grammar are crap and I am the first to admit that. And I believe that a picture is worth a thousand words. I believe in telling people what I believe they need to know or can benefit from and not telling them what they would like to hear, in other words I wont say it’s the best thing since sliced bread just to be polite, when a blind man would not be pleased to see it from the top of a double decker bus on the way to Blackpool. We all don’t like being told the way it is and may get on our high horse but when we settle down and think about it we learn something it may not be a lot and we may not admit it but we learn. We don’t learn any thing from being told that our work is great when in fact its crap. That just shows us the guy giving such comments can’t tell the difference between tin plate and white gold or knows nothing about the subject he is committing on. Me I welcome constructive criticism I may not always like what I am being told but still welcome. What I don’t like is criticism for criticism sake or when no alterative is offered. |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Apr 12, 2008 8:50:06 GMT
Just because your old doesnt make you right . Sleep tight old chap I agree being old doesn’t make you right but it gives you years of experience to drawer on. We don’t always learn from those years but we learn or should learn from our and others past mistakes. And that’s the way we keep learning. How to Win Friends and Influence People? Some way to go Alan ;D ;D cheers Jacob |
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Post by jfc on Apr 12, 2008 8:59:27 GMT
Why do you assume that i buy my mouldings in ? If i thought a bit of wood under the mould would look good i would have done it but i didnt . The house the finished peice went to has very large skirtings and cornice but small rooms . Built @1800 and all the oversize mouldings look right . I was asked to build something that went along with this .I forgot to mention the mirror they also ordered that took two of us to lift .
Like i said above i am always willing to listen and learn but i will always make my own mind up in what looks right on my work .
The part number you are looking for is JFCLegacy1 but quite a compliment to say it came from Winther Browne .
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Post by tommo on Apr 12, 2008 11:47:57 GMT
Ho Ho so "Bespoke" has joined another forum big laugh for those on the other side I guess.
Regards Tom
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Post by jfc on Apr 12, 2008 12:31:10 GMT
Ahhhh , if we all liked the same things the world would be a very dull place . I like the lambs tongue mould here  But it's only 45mm tall so i think it needs something else ...... |
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Post by sainty on Apr 12, 2008 12:56:11 GMT
I think that you should go for something plainer. That looks like a nice flat eggshell finish you've got on the doors, if I remember rightly it a pretty modern kitchen and these look best with just a rectangle section cornice with small roundover just to lose the aris. Easier too!!!
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Post by jfc on Apr 12, 2008 13:04:13 GMT
Thats MDF primer ;D
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Post by tommo on Apr 12, 2008 13:05:26 GMT
I think the "Lambs Tongue" is on the right track echo's the detail on the door.
Maybe needs raising up tho.
Regards Tom
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Post by jfc on Apr 12, 2008 13:15:29 GMT
 I'm not sure if it's modern or farmhouse  More like doghouse right now ;D I am thinking of making the end panels out of TVGbead if thats the right name for it . I think your right about raising it up . |
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Post by woodyew on Apr 12, 2008 13:51:30 GMT
I'm not sure if it's modern or farmhouse More like doghouse right now ;D I am thinking of making the end panels out of TVGbead if thats the right name for it . I think your right about raising it up . Some more tiles would be good. ;D |
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Post by jfc on Apr 12, 2008 16:02:53 GMT
Some work tops would be nicer ;D Still not sure mmmmmm  |
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hope you cheer up soon ;D
More like doghouse right now ;D I am thinking of making the end panels out of TVGbead if thats the right name for it .