Suggestions ?

[jfc]

I have a customer that is after a pair of external doors making and a pair of internal to match . The external doors will have to be DG K safety glass . Now she likes these doors .....





But she wants an arch at the top , as you can see i have already messed up the pic trying to do that ;D She also wants to loose the mid rail and is talking about having three diamonds . I think this will be too weak .
I thought this may be a good one to put to you guys and see what you come up with ?

[cadas]

Can't see a problem, as external door the thickness would be up at 48mm, might be worth considering a hardwood to avoid knots and give a bit more strength, but all in all, it is only a set of French windows with some glazing bars stuck on in a funny pattern.

[Scrit]

I think that you'll need to beef up the stiles a bit (and go to hardwood?) if you get rid of the mid rail simply because otherwise it will be too weak, as you say. The diamonds could just be glued together and stuck onto the glass, like they do for kitchen doors, although that might be cheating...... Incidentally, how wide are those stiles?

Scrit

[mailee]

I agree it would lose rigidity without the centre rails, but couldn't you make the top and bottom rails wider to compensate for this. If it was in hardwood this would be a more rigid structure anyway. Also if the top of the door was arched and the bottom of the top rail was square for the glass it would make for an easier build. As for the diamonds stuck onto the glass it means problems if the glass does get broken, better to make them part of the frame. IMHO

[jfc]

Sticking the glazing bars on is not the plan for two reasons ...
1 , It looks crap ;D
2, The customer wants beveled edge glass to follow the glazing bars .

The stiles on the doors shown are a standard 95mm x 45mm section . The construction of the basic frame of the door is fine IMHO , but i will bump it up to 50mm for the dg units . It's the issue with the glazing bars that i feel will take the strength away , the whole glass and bars will flex i think .
I intended this to be more of a design thread rather than a structual one , just for a bit of fun .

[engineerone]

what i can't figure out is how and where the diamonds are going to be placed anyway.

i know jason doesn't like to draw things,
preferring to make them, but my first thought is that you are being asked to place the diamonds one above the other, is this right??

once we know how the diamonds are to be laid out, then it would i think be easier to lay things out

paul

[Scrit]

Apr 29, 2008 19:08:47 GMT jfc said:

Sticking the glazing bars on is not the plan for two reasons ...
1 , It looks crap ;D
2, The customer wants beveled edge glass to follow the glazing bars

A question. How do you get bevel edged diamond shaped DG units on the outside door with a curved head? As to applied glazing bars they aren't glued on in the conventional fashion, but they are simply "spotted" with flexible silicone to stop them rattling. Agreed, though, they are crap........ ;D

Scrit

[jfc]

A question. How do you get bevel edged diamond shaped DG units on the outside door with a curved head?

No idea ;D I need to speak to my Glazier to see if it can be done but i'm still trying to sort out what they want before i can get prices .

[Scrit]

Apr 29, 2008 19:57:52 GMT jfc said:

A question. How do you get bevel edged diamond shaped DG units on the outside door with a curved head?

No idea ;D I need to speak to my Glazier to see if it can be done but i'm still trying to sort out what they want before i can get prices .

Hope your glazier is better than the muppets we have round here.......

[jfc]

Mine was good but he is starting to farm out work and thats not what i need but i have used him for 15 years The prices have gone up a little but not enough to worry but the quality has changed . Not that they have defects its just i can see the change .