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Post by jfc on Jun 2, 2008 17:38:17 GMT
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Post by Scrit on Jun 2, 2008 18:23:39 GMT
So where's the guarding, then?
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Post by jfc on Jun 2, 2008 18:38:26 GMT
Its in the third pic ;D
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Post by sainty on Jun 2, 2008 18:57:54 GMT
It still looks brand new....cluck, cluck..cluck....  |
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Post by jfc on Jun 2, 2008 19:04:47 GMT
It is ......... Parp ;D
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Post by nickw on Jun 2, 2008 21:14:20 GMT
I'd put the blocks at 90 degrees to each other so that only one blade is starting to cut at any one time.
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Post by jfc on Jun 2, 2008 22:08:23 GMT
Thanks Nick , i was wondering about that as i have not used this set up before . Now you say it i can see why it would be better to use all four blades apart but in setting up i was thinking about balancing the spindle .
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Post by cadas on Jun 5, 2008 18:15:32 GMT
Took my camera to work today.......these are tenoners....  just for scale...the arbour including the collars is 70mm, these babys cut 150mm tenons. (please note safety guards have been removed because I can't see what they would stop) These are what I normally use  Very well balanced and the cutters come in a range of profiles, lengths and widths. This cutter is 330mm dia. |
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Post by tusses on Jun 5, 2008 18:58:08 GMT
1st pic .... holy crap !!!
2nd pic .... you got a leak !
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Post by Telos on Jun 6, 2008 12:26:44 GMT
Holy crap indeed! Are those things normal in the French market? They look completely lethal! I hope your moulder has a slow bottom speed, I would expect these things to take off if they became slightly imbalanced....   |
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Post by Scrit on Jun 6, 2008 16:47:15 GMT
The upper set is illegal to sell or use in a trade establishment - even in France (tooling regs are now EU-wide). The cutters are not of limiter design. The lower ones you might get away with
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Post by cadas on Jun 6, 2008 18:13:57 GMT
The upper set do have limiters, they are cut into the steel of the cutter body.
As with a lot of things in france, EU regs are 'optional', for instance....a standard euro safety block that will accept limiters is special order, whereas a euro block without limiters is stock. Unbraked machines are still sold today...non of my machines have automatic brakes.
My local tooling merchant has cabinets full of cutters, but doesn't stock limiters.
The cutters shown in the top photo are legal here, but I don(t use them, they came with the machine and are good for scaring customers. I imagine that there isn't any real problem with them, the firm that sharpens all my stuff has rebalanced a solid TCT cutter after sharpening, they deal with these things every day.
The French market is only slowly coming around to cutters in universal blocks, the bulk of my cutters are still the solid three wing type. The secondhand market is the one to watch in horror...if you look on ebay france today, you can find a set of the old 'sandwich' block cutters, now they are frightening.
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Post by Scrit on Jun 6, 2008 21:07:11 GMT
There is a distinct difference between what is permissable in a "trade" establishment and a non-trade one, even in France. Even with limiters the upper tooling would probably be regarded as "suspect" in the UK and Germany. When I was doing some work for a commercial insurer a few years back I was (reliably?) informed that the PUWER98 standards were based on the 1995 German regs and are mandatory across the EU - no exceptions or deregations. Those standards also encompass machine braking without which machinery cannot gain a CE certificate (which makes it illegal to export or even sell). From what you are saying the French seem to ignore the regs (how Gallic!), however, have a major incident with something which is not legal and your insurers will simply not pay out (I know of several cases both here and in Belgium) and the victim would then have to sue either their employers or machinery supplier. Here manufacturers and suppliers have taken a much more stringent approach to safety whereas the French, yet again, don't seem to give a damn
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Post by cadas on Jun 7, 2008 5:05:38 GMT
They don't, with regards to braking, I bought a planer thicknesser from one of the biggest machine suppliers in France. It was a used machine (8years old) it was supplied without brakes, but they did fit an NVR switch.
Health & safety is a bit different here I'll give you a classic example that happened to my client less than two weeks ago;
My client and his wife had taken a door back to one of the big joinery retailers in Limoges. In the shop there are lots of doors, windows, etc on display. Without warning, one of the external doors fell over landing on my clients wife and knocked her out cold. The shop refused to call an ambulance, eventually someone did and she was taken to hospital for two days.
The shop refused to accept reposnibility so my client called the H&S people. They have now visited and reported that the doors are 'safe enough' (despite only being freestanding) and that the woman 'probably made more of the incident', therefore no action is being taken.
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Post by mel on Jun 10, 2008 21:13:49 GMT
Shame on you jason An unguarded RADIO |
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Post by cadas on Jun 12, 2008 18:36:53 GMT
No it's fine, he only plays Radio Two and then only while wearing ear protectors.
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