Rods

[simuk]

Hi folks,

I have made a piece of furniture, that i draw out on a melamine faced rod first. And well i want to keep the drawing permanently, whats the usual way of achieving this.
I remember reading somewhere about ink over the pencil lines but i am not sure.

Thanks

Simon

[mrgrimsdale]

Just don't rub them off! Pencil lines seem to 'set' and get indelible on MDF, but this might depend on the variety of pencil.

cheers
Jacob

[wizer]

As an aside... I printed out a full scale rod today. How's that for a gadget Jacob??

[paulchapman]

I would have thought that if you use a permanent marker-type felt tip pen, with a fine point, that should do it.

Cheers

Paul

[wizer]

What about some sort of clear varnish or hair lacquer??

[simuk]

So what your saying Mr Grimsdale, is to redraw on mdf



Edit: Because it just didnt make sense

[simuk]

Jul 14, 2008 20:58:48 GMT paulchapman said:

I would have thought that if you use a permanent marker-type felt tip pen, with a fine point, that should do it.

Cheers

Paul

That did cross my mind Paul, is there such a thing as a fine marker pen?

[tusses]

I read it as 'leave it as is ! '

[simuk]

Hi tusses

like i said in first post , i have drawn out on melamine faced board

[tusses]

Jul 14, 2008 20:46:04 GMT mrgrimsdale said:

Just don't rub them off! Pencil lines seem to 'set' and get indelible on MDF, but this might depend on the variety of pencil.

cheers
Jacob

And Jacob suggested leaving it 'to set'

Have you a problem of leaving it on the MFC ?

[paulchapman]

Jul 14, 2008 21:04:48 GMT simuk said:

Jul 14, 2008 20:58:48 GMT paulchapman said:

I would have thought that if you use a permanent marker-type felt tip pen, with a fine point, that should do it.

Cheers

Paul

That did cross my mind Paul, is there such a thing as a fine marker pen?

There seem to be hundreds of different felt tip pens about. If you can't find one with a fine point, one type that might be good (assuming you want to draw mainly straight lines) is a Berol italic felt tip pen - they sell them in W H Smiths and probably elsewhere. You can get them in fine, medium, large and extra large. Depending how you hold it you get a thick or thin line. If you hold it so that it gives a thin line it might suit what you want to do. The ink in them is waterproof.

Might be worth asking in an artist suppliers shop - they usually have a wide range of pens. Probably better than W H Smiths.

Cheers

Paul

[simuk]

Yeah tusses, it dont stay on after its had a dose of my blood sweat & tears ;D

Will that work on melamine Paul?

[engineerone]

how about spraying it with a mounting spray or a clear varnish??

paul

[simuk]

Mounting spray thats a new one on me, where do you pick that up Ann Summers? ;D

But seriously sounds like a cunning plan Paul

[jfc]

Marking knife or you could borrow the felt tip i used to do a temp name on my boat . That wont shift with anything

[simuk]

Thats another idea to think about, thanks jfc, you didnt rename your boat did you?

[dom]

Sweet Mother of god, are we still on Rods, Jacob please write the definitive rod book and post it as a sticky ( ooh good pun)

[engineerone]

no you do not buyy mounting spray at ann summers,
rather you get it from smiffs, or an art shop, and it is normally
used for temporarily or actually permanently mouting say a cardboard mask on a surface. you can use it instead of masking tape for spraying.

actually you could probably use cling film

but that is a whole different feeling for you ann summers types

paul

[Dave S]

How about scoring the marks with a sharp marking knife, then going over with waterproof pen? Wipe off excess before it dries to leave just a fine line.

Dave

[tusses]

When at school using chalks and pastels we used cheap hairspray to 'fix' the artwork . cheap and effective

[mrgrimsdale]

Jul 14, 2008 21:14:23 GMT simuk said:

Yeah tusses, it dont stay on after its had a dose of my blood sweat & tears ;D

Will that work on melamine Paul?

Well if it's not worth keeping I'd just keep the design drawings until you make another one of whatever it was, and then do a new rod.

cheers
Jacob

[mrgrimsdale]

Jul 14, 2008 22:07:52 GMT dom said:

Sweet Mother of god, are we still on Rods, Jacob please write the definitive rod book and post it as a sticky ( ooh good pun)

Welcome back Dom where have you been?
I only go on abt rods when someone brings it up! Seems to be a need out there

cheers
Jacob
PS Book a good idea though I'm not likely to have the time in the near future. It could start at the domestic level with dress making patterns, model aircraft building, then progress through the trades, joinery etc, timber framing, boat building, sail making, steel fabrications, ships and planes. Ancient Greeks did it - there are layout details on floors of ancient temples apparently. Then there's 3D patterns for castings etc.
Endless topic, all about making working drawings, models or patterns from which the sizes and details are taken directly with no intermediary measuring.

[paulchapman]

Jul 15, 2008 5:00:31 GMT mrgrimsdale said:

I only go on abt rods when someone brings it up! Seems to be a need out there

Hope to God nobody mentions curved bevels and honing guides ;D

[paulchapman]

Jul 14, 2008 22:07:52 GMT dom said:

Sweet Mother of god, are we still on Rods

We were just marking time 'till you got back (geddit ) ;D

[mrgrimsdale]

Jul 15, 2008 6:54:49 GMT paulchapman said:

Jul 15, 2008 5:00:31 GMT mrgrimsdale said:

I only go on abt rods when someone brings it up! Seems to be a need out there

Hope to God nobody mentions curved bevels and honing guides ;D

Well looking back I have to say that the three most interesting/useful things I've found out since I started woodworking are:
1 how much you can do with how little (3 saws, one jack plane, 3 chisels etc etc)
2 the amazingly effective rod layout system
3 Convex bevels: how to sharpen freehand, quickly, effectively, without a ton of gear and lots of fiddling about. Bit late on picking this one up, but better late than never ;D

cheers
Jacob