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Post by Keith on Jul 22, 2008 21:17:27 GMT
This was the workshop yesterday, bare and little machinery.  But don't feel sorry for me....no..no..no. Except for the fact I am now in financial purgatory  because today the man from Felder arrived and refilled the workshop.  It'll be even better when I get them going, these latest models need 21A so my 16A circuit is useless.  |
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Post by modernist on Jul 22, 2008 21:19:39 GMT
Nice machines - and shop
the stairs look a bit of a struggle ;D
Brian
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Post by Keith on Jul 22, 2008 21:29:44 GMT
Nice machines - and shop the stairs look a bit of a struggle ;D Brian ;D Thanks I had to make them so they swing out of the way, it was a friend gave me the idea to hinge them at the bottom and it has worked pretty well. Keith |
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Post by big-all on Jul 22, 2008 22:03:16 GMT
bl00dy hell keith you didnt tell me you had converted your dinning room kitchen and hallway into a workshop!!! a space to die for ;D ;D looks like £5000 pounds worth of kit to me keith   |
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Post by paulchapman on Jul 22, 2008 22:45:26 GMT
Wow, they look great, Keith. Cheers  Paul |
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Post by davyowen on Jul 22, 2008 23:05:02 GMT
Very nice Keith. It'll be even better when I get them going, these latest models need 21A so my 16A circuit is useless. Are you sure about that? As you are running single phase I wouldn't have expected more than a 5HP motor - 3.6kw or 16A. Are you just having problems with the MCB tripping on startup? |
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Post by Keith on Jul 23, 2008 5:38:45 GMT
Alan, its the stable block in the garden, don't you know ;D £5000!! if only I've spent the last few months re-refitting the workshop, now with an insulated chipboard floor, insulation in the walls, completely new dust extraction (with a cyclone) etc So it is particularly annoying that I didn't realise they needed 21A as it would have been easy to put the extra circuit in, now it will be a real pain. Dayy, Richard (the man from Felder) says they need a 20A type C breaker, the saw only needs it only for start up but the spindle will draw the full load when running a big cutter. |
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Post by jfc on Jul 23, 2008 7:04:49 GMT
Running a big cutter (shudder) Colin C and I are working on some man nappies for tasks like that ;D
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Post by modernist on Jul 23, 2008 7:52:17 GMT
My Hammer used to put the lights out when running a big slotter. Then we discovered the house was illegally connected to the nearest streetlamp Brian |
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Post by nickw on Jul 23, 2008 8:07:29 GMT
Looks good Keith, and nice to see someone else who's done his wiring in surface mounted 20mm pvc conduit.
It'd be interesting to see your cyclone. EDIT: Oops, sorry, just seen your posting in the Projects section.
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Post by Keith on Jul 23, 2008 10:13:57 GMT
Running a big cutter (shudder) Colin C and I are working on some man nappies for tasks like that ;D Put me down for a gross gross ;D |
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Post by big-all on Jul 23, 2008 10:35:11 GMT
Alan, its the stable block in the garden, don't you know ;D £5000!! if only . what does molly think keith having to share the kennal with the horses what insulation did you use keith and has it made any noticable difference to noise levels both inside and out!!!!! |
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Post by davyowen on Jul 23, 2008 11:54:45 GMT
Dayy, Richard (the man from Felder) says they need a 20A type C breaker, the saw only needs it only for start up but the spindle will draw the full load when running a big cutter. Hmm, well not to cause offence to the guys at felder, but unless he's an electrician I would seriously consider calling a pro in on this one. For the spindle moulder to have a running current of 20A would put it at over 6HP and I really didn't think they made single-phase motors that big. Have you tried using the 16A circuit you have installed and were they C-type breakers? If so I wouldn't have thought you'd have had a problem. Check the motor casing and see what it says for the power requirements (watts/amps) because I'd hate for you to have to go through the hassle of wiring in 2 new circuits just on the advice of a salesman - and again, no offence to any Felder salemen/women but eletricity + powerful motors tends to generate some crazy and often very unsafe advice from people who don't know what they are talking about. |
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Post by woodworker on Jul 23, 2008 12:03:37 GMT
OOoohhhh very nice Kieth, Welcome to the Club ;D ;D. You mentioned the wiring for the 700 Series Felders, mine run happily all day on 16amp, I'll sent you a pic of my breaker board if you wish it shows the trip rating etc. I had this issue with Felder and yes they got it wrong ...........again  . I'll send you a PM so that you can start doing some work instead of looking and polishing them ;D ;D ;D PM Sent. .... |
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Post by Keith on Jul 23, 2008 20:18:06 GMT
what does molly think keith having to share the kennal with the horses what insulation did you use keith and has it made any noticable difference to noise levels both inside and out!!!!! I use general slab rockwool from Wickes in the walls, it does seem to have been worthwhile as most of the noise now comes out of the window. Double glazing next ;D |
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Post by Keith on Jul 23, 2008 20:23:52 GMT
[Hmm, well not to cause offence to the guys at felder, but unless he's an electrician I would seriously consider calling a pro in on this one. For the spindle moulder to have a running current of 20A would put it at over 6HP and I really didn't think they made single-phase motors that big. Have you tried using the 16A circuit you have installed and were they C-type breakers? If so I wouldn't have thought you'd have had a problem. Check the motor casing and see what it says for the power requirements (watts/amps) because I'd hate for you to have to go through the hassle of wiring in 2 new circuits just on the advice of a salesman - and again, no offence to any Felder salemen/women but eletricity + powerful motors tends to generate some crazy and often very unsafe advice from people who don't know what they are talking about. The spindle is 5.5hp which equates to 18A so perhaps he is not far out. As you suggest I'll get some professional advice before I start rewiring the workshop. Thanks Keith |
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Post by big-all on Jul 23, 2008 21:20:24 GMT
what does molly think keith having to share the kennal with the horses what insulation did you use keith and has it made any noticable difference to noise levels both inside and out!!!!! I use general slab rockwool from Wickes in the walls, it does seem to have been worthwhile as most of the noise now comes out of the window. Double glazing next ;D funny enough keith i was looking at my wicks leaflet whilst in the sun today and notice the rockwool easy to install but 3 times the price of normal stuff |
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Post by colincott on Jul 24, 2008 1:15:30 GMT
Running a big cutter (shudder) Colin C and I are working on some man nappies for tasks like that ;D I keep filling mine when I think we will have to use that big cutter again soon |
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Post by Keith on Aug 9, 2008 9:43:59 GMT
I've just been asked how I went on with the electrics, so for those interested.. Having taken advice from Woodworker who has similar machines running on a 16A C type breaker I'm sure I could have fitted one of those. However my 10 year old consumer unit has odd size breakers which are no longer available. As luck would have it I found a 20A C type breaker on ebay (what did I do before ebay? ) and so I have fitted that. Obviously after having checked the wiring was within spec for the higher current rating. I'll keep my eye open for a 16A C type breaker, if I find one I will swap it for the 20A I was then left with the problem that 3 smaller machines were now also fed from the 20A supply. I solved this by fitting an IP65 enclose in line with the supply to each machine and fitting a 16A B type MCB in each. Total cost about £50.  |
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Post by davyowen on Aug 9, 2008 11:00:28 GMT
If the wiring is in spec throughout the system (including the machines themselves) then there really isn't any point downgrading to 16A. Save yourself the hassle and expense and enjoy your new tools. ;D
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Post by Keith on Aug 9, 2008 11:30:43 GMT
If the wiring is in spec throughout the system (including the machines themselves) then there really isn't any point downgrading to 16A. Save yourself the hassle and expense and enjoy your new tools. ;D I'm paranoid about the fire risk. I have a timber workshop and my insurer has refused to cover me now I have the new machines. |
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Post by davyowen on Aug 9, 2008 11:54:05 GMT
I'm paranoid about the fire risk. I have a timber workshop and my insurer has refused to cover me now I have the new machines. Did they tell you it was because of the machines themselves or was it more more to do with the fact that you did the wiring rather than a qualified commercial/industrial electrician? Did you do any electrical testing? Insulation resisitance? EFLI? But as I said, if you have confirmed that the wiring can cope with 20A from the CU right to the motor then dropping down to 16A will make no difference apart from making the changes you have made worthless and cocking up the discrimination between breakers. |
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Post by Keith on Aug 9, 2008 12:32:50 GMT
I'm paranoid about the fire risk. I have a timber workshop and my insurer has refused to cover me now I have the new machines. Did they tell you it was because of the machines themselves or was it more more to do with the fact that you did the wiring rather than a qualified commercial/industrial electrician? Did you do any electrical testing? Insulation resisitance? EFLI? But as I said, if you have confirmed that the wiring can cope with 20A from the CU right to the motor then dropping down to 16A will make no difference apart from making the changes you have made worthless and cocking up the discrimination between breakers. I think, with the insurance, that it is the total value which has now passed their limit. |
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because today the man from Felder arrived and refilled the workshop. 
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