saw till wot is it?

[mrgrimsdale]

Alf blogs on about a saw till in her blog.
So what is a saw till?
I've googled but I keep getting the book of Enoch; And again I saw in the vision till those water torrents were removed ... And I saw till all the wolves who pursued those sheep perished and were drowned. ...
Picture would be handy Enoch!

cheers
Jacob

[tommo]

Hi, I've heard the small box located within blanket/dowry boxes referred to as till's and of course cash registers so believe its an old word for a safe keeping area or section within another box.
In this case specific area within tool chest for saws.

Regards Tom

[smudger]

A case like a plane till.
One here:

www.public.iastate.edu/~mcquist/Shop%20pages/Saw%20till.htm

[Sgian Dubh]

mrgrimsdale said:

Alf blogs on about a saw till in her blog.
So what is a saw till? Jacob

It's just a fancy name in Americanese for a box to chuck your saws into. There's usually some slits and/or turnbuckle thingies to hold the blades and lock the handle in place. Saw tills are generally popular with people that like a hand dovetailed box in something a bit ostentatious like rippled maple so that they can show people their nice antique and Lie-Nielsen saws all neatly lined up-- but importantly, they're seldom used.

I just chuck my saws in a plywood box or hang 'em up on a nail where they're handy.

There. There's the world weary, jaundiced and c*ck-eyed cynic's answer. I must be in that kind of mood, ha, ha. Slainte.

[mrgrimsdale]

Right. I usually leave mine on the floor. I might try the nail idea!

cheers
Jacob

[Alf]

Jacob, it is indeed 'Murrican for "oh sh*t, I have too many saws and must store them somehow". A modern invention since having more saws than you technically "need" (discuss) is a modern phenomenon. First popularised by the Galoots of the Old Tool List who practically universally never saw a saw they didn't like and at a buck-a-time can't bear to leave them there to be bought by "artists" who'll then paint bucolic scenes on the blade. While this is not yet a danger faced by saws in the UK, unfortunately I too tend to subscribe to the never saw a saw I didn't like school of Galootdom and at 50p-a-time or maybe a whole pound sterling I tend to feel the need to rehome the better ones. They do get used, but sheer numbers mean there's quite a gap between using each one if a system of rotation is employed...

I also have some hanging from dowels on the wall (spend half an hour cleaning up a handle and you wouldn't hang them on a nail either...) And some in the till in the tool chest. Sold some. Given some away. Did I mention I never saw a saw I didn't like?

Anyway you can view mine here if so inclined. It's not rippled maple but reclaimed pine with lots of old nail holes. Yep, 'fraid the dovetails are handcut, and with a LN saw. Is there nothing so low and despicable that I won't do? Didn't want to risk the Wenzloff finding an overlooked nail so the LN is the utility saw these days. ;D Actually that's a bit out of date; I've painted it and such since then:



Anyway, Jacob, future tip - stick the ref you're having trouble with in the blog search box, top left on my blog page, and you should get at least one entry where I explain what the heck I'm talking about, usually with pictures.

Cheers, Alf

[mrgrimsdale]

The Shorter Oxford says Till. 1. A small box, casket, or closed compartment, contained within or forming part of a larger box, chest, or cabinet; sometimes one that could be lifted out; sometimes a drawer in a cabinet or chest of drawers; etc..
So Tom was right, Enoch was miles off, and Alf's construction is a cupboard or box with no tills at all!

cheers
Jacob

[tellurian]

Don't forget:

Till - An unstratified, unconsolidated mass of boulders, pebbles, sand, and mud deposited by the movement or melting of a glacier. The size and shape of the sediments that constitute till vary widely.

I have a picture in my head of how a Saw Till would look in this case?

[9fingers]

toobyefore said:

Jacob, it is indeed 'Murrican for "oh sh*t, I have too many saws and must store them somehow". A modern invention since having more saws than you technically "need" (discuss) is a modern phenomenon. First popularised by the Galoots of the Old Tool List who practically universally never saw a saw they didn't like and at a buck-a-time can't bear to leave them there to be bought by "artists" who'll then paint bucolic scenes on the blade. While this is not yet a danger faced by saws in the UK, unfortunately I too tend to subscribe to the never saw a saw I didn't like school of Galootdom and at 50p-a-time or maybe a whole pound sterling I tend to feel the need to rehome the better ones. They do get used, but sheer numbers mean there's quite a gap between using each one if a system of rotation is employed...

I also have some hanging from dowels on the wall (spend half an hour cleaning up a handle and you wouldn't hang them on a nail either...) And some in the till in the tool chest. Sold some. Given some away. Did I mention I never saw a saw I didn't like?

Anyway you can view mine here if so inclined. It's not rippled maple but reclaimed pine with lots of old nail holes. Yep, 'fraid the dovetails are handcut, and with a LN saw. Is there nothing so low and despicable that I won't do? Didn't want to risk the Wenzloff finding an overlooked nail so the LN is the utility saw these days. ;D Actually that's a bit out of date; I've painted it and such since then:



Anyway, Jacob, future tip - stick the ref you're having trouble with in the blog search box, top left on my blog page, and you should get at least one entry where I explain what the heck I'm talking about, usually with pictures.

Cheers, Alf

I say Alf, what is the saw half way up on the right? Is it a special right angled one for doing corners? ;D ;D

Bob

[Alf]

telurian said:

Don't forget:

Till - An unstratified, unconsolidated mass of boulders, pebbles, sand, and mud deposited by the movement or melting of a glacier. The size and shape of the sediments that constitute till vary widely.

I have a picture in my head of how a Saw Till would look in this case?

Just needs tweaking a bit:

Till - An unstratified, consolidated mass of tools (chiefly planes or saws) deposited by the sliding movement or bank account melting of a galoot (see "The Slope"). The size and shape of the items that constitute till contents vary widely (beyond the basic classification of "saw" or "plane").

Closer than you thought?

Cheers, Alf

P.S. Jacob, the Shorter Oxford is of no use at all - it's a 'Murricanism, innit?

[dirtydeeds]

i saw a copy of the "shorter" oxford english dictionary recently

its four voulmes

how big is "THE" oxford english dictionary

[9fingers]

I think it is about 60 volumes currently

Bob

[smudger]

20 Volumes (plus supplements), over 300,000 definitions, £750.
Worth every penny.

[robo]

Not too sure that the term is Murrican or modern? - Jim Kingshott, in one of his DVD's, shows off the dovetails in his magnificent tool chest he had to make as an apprentice in the 1940's (in his spare time!).
Part way down is his sliding and removable saw till.

R.

[engineerone]

certainly if you look at some of the "famous" tool chests
such as seaton etc they contain "tills" and since the originals may well have been english, seems to be a term we should know.


paul

[Alf]

The original use of the term is definitely not modern, but the use of it to describe what is essentially a cupboard, I think, is.

Cheers, Alf

[mrspanton]

To answer your queery Jacvob, saw till is one of those pseudo aestheitc BS toolese terms that tool guru's use to inform there peer group's that they got too enough "good" saw's to jsutify having a fancy box to keep them in. Nail's on a batton serve well enough for me.

[mrgrimsdale]

Nail on a batten? Luxury!
I leave mine outside in a pool of water - if they are rusty enough nobody will steal them.

cheers
Jacob

[dunbarhamlin]

You've got water int pool? Bye, when I were a lad...

there was yet another hosepipe ban and regular power cuts and so the best we could do was a dust bath by candle light