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Post by tusses on Aug 20, 2008 22:30:59 GMT
well at this price I thought I'd try it anyone heard of this make ? link |
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Post by Scrit on Aug 20, 2008 22:32:50 GMT
Of course I have.
Scrit
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Post by engineerone on Aug 20, 2008 22:46:13 GMT
and  paul  |
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Post by jfc on Aug 20, 2008 23:13:48 GMT
You didnt buy it did you ;D
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Post by tusses on Aug 20, 2008 23:16:22 GMT
indeed I did ;D
I thought at that price, I could weigh it in and still make a profit !
I hear you had one similar ?
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Post by jfc on Aug 20, 2008 23:28:55 GMT
Yup , the Tyzak . Pile of under powered sh*t for modern blocks but great for french cutters. Scrap it and spend some moneyon a bursgreen  |
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Post by tusses on Aug 20, 2008 23:33:43 GMT
I'll see when I get it.
I dont have three phase, so I'll either have to get another motor or a phase converter.
I suppose I could up the power if I got a bigger motor ?
I'm not in a position to afford proper spindle money at the moment !
will be interesting to see a spindle for the 1st time anyway !
Rich
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Post by tusses on Aug 20, 2008 23:35:14 GMT
oh - I might add... I dont like big doing 'big' stuff , so I might find it usefull for a while |
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Post by Scrit on Aug 21, 2008 5:51:32 GMT
I suppose I could up the power if I got a bigger motor ? Up the power? That assumes that the 40+ year old bearings will take the extra strain. I can't see you putting a bigger engine into a car without giving some consideration to the transmission, so what makes a machine any different? If it's 3/4HP (and that's what the spec sheet says), then I'd follow suit. You'll also need a DoL starter, so your cheap buy will cost another £80 to £100. The other thing is, where's the motor and is it a standard one? White generally bought-in rotor/stator sets and mounted them inside their own cast iron casings. Good luck! oh - I might add... I dont like big doing 'big' stuff , so I might find it usefull for a while The downside is that it isn't probably isn't much good for doing rebates or tenons - two of the major requirements for joinery work. It might be of use, but a 60 year old design with the inadequate fences and guards of the day, no brake and wear/slop. etc. might put you off the spindle for life. Time will tell. Scrit |
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Post by tusses on Aug 21, 2008 8:23:08 GMT
Thanks again Scrit - Time will tell.
As I said, Ive not seen a spindle up close, so I'll see how it ticks when I get it !
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Post by wizer on Aug 21, 2008 8:38:55 GMT
JESUS WEPT!
You just bought a tractor!!
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Post by tusses on Aug 21, 2008 18:12:34 GMT
so... whithout wanting to upset anyone. can we seperate 'joinery' from wood working ? this machine has been in use for however long, so I would assume it HAS a use ? the only time I can see me wanting large tenons is on a large table. bookcases / coffee tables etc just need small tenons. I was hoping this is one step up from a router table no your thoughts ? ta Rich ;D |
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Post by andy on Aug 21, 2008 18:33:40 GMT
Yup , the Tyzak . Pile of under powered sh*t for modern blocks but great for french cutters. Scrap it and spend some moneyon a bursgreen What did happen to yours Jason Last I heard you couldn't even give it away  |
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Post by jfc on Aug 21, 2008 18:54:22 GMT
Oh very good , linking back to a site i am banned from  Tusses , i would say it's not a step up as you cant run a legal block on it . well you can but you will get a faster finish on the router table . If that is the same as my Tyzak it will just be in the way . You will be lucky to run a medium moulding in one pass with that so even a tiny tenon will make it struggle . You cant seperate wood working from joinery when you are using joinery machines . You need to use joinery tooling to run even the smallest of mouldings . |
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Post by tusses on Aug 21, 2008 19:14:07 GMT
Thaks for your reply JFC  I have the 3 phase motor out of my whitehead TS and I have seen plans for a rotory 3 phase converter on the web, so I think I will at least give it a go before I dismiss it ! Cheers Rich |
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Post by jfc on Aug 21, 2008 19:29:36 GMT
Well im not to up on the electrical side of things but my moulder is the biggest you get before it goes to three phase so i am told . So what you are planning to do worries me . I have been down the road your about to take and i would say invest a few hundred quid in a better moulder and you will see how good they really are .
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Post by tusses on Aug 21, 2008 19:49:05 GMT
what I am planning , is seeing how the moulder has been used for the last 30/40 years !, I'm not going to change anything for now but .... I am thinking ahead ... If it is not up to it, I may take the 30mm arbor out of the whitehead and see if I can use it in the moulder ;D |
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Post by Scrit on Aug 21, 2008 19:51:34 GMT
You can't remove joinery from furniture or cabinetmaking. Almost any joint making activity is, by its nature, a form of joinery. It's just the scale which varies
The "Nippy" was originally sold to restorers, picture frame makers etc as a small spindle moulder for delicate work such as beadings andthe like. This sort of spindle moulder (and there were 3 or 4 makers) went out of fashion very quickly when the low-cost Watford (later Centec) bench top pin router came in during the 1950s, long before Trend/Elu in the UK. The finish from the higher speed router cutters was actually superior to that of the relatively small blocks (or French cutters) offered by the bench top spindles. They died a very rapid death.
Maybe the point is that one of the major advantages of a spindle moulder is that you should be able to run even a large moulding in a single pass. Rebating (of which you do a lot in joinery and less in furniture makking, but still quite a bit) is very power intensive - something you lack with just 3/4HP. So it will struggle on heavy cuts and may even stall which is not safe practice.
As to using a table saw over a spindle moulder that's just plain ignorance about safe and effective wood machining and I'll say no more.
Scrit
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Post by wizer on Aug 21, 2008 19:52:05 GMT
IMHO you need to get rid. Tart it up, maybe convert it to single phase, then send it back to eBay and pray you get your money back.
Ok, you won't get a good spindle for £30 but you can get them relatively cheap if you keep an eye out.
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Post by wizer on Aug 21, 2008 19:53:17 GMT
Can I ask why/how a spindle can take deeper passes?
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Post by jfc on Aug 21, 2008 20:15:06 GMT
By the looks of it ....... it hasnt been ;D On a very serious note i would listen to what Scrit has to say about this ( if he wants to get involved in what you are planning to do ) Ok we have been taking the piss a bit up till now and if you look at Andys link , from memory you can see they ripped the crap out of me ;D What i see is you are trying to bodge up an old spindle moulder and i have serious concerns that you are going to hurt yourself in doing that . I'm not giving it the big H&S thing , in fact anyone that has seen my workshop will agree it's a nightmare on that front  |
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Post by jfc on Aug 21, 2008 20:19:51 GMT
Cause it goes HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Rather than
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
;D
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Post by tusses on Aug 21, 2008 20:30:34 GMT
ok - thanks guys ... I'll get it, convert it, and see what spindles are all about, then go from there. I only considered a spindle over a router table, from recommendations on here! maybe I should slow down a bit Rich |
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Post by jfc on Aug 21, 2008 21:07:35 GMT
No need to slow down , just buy a good spindle moulder and you will see how good they are . You dont need to spend thousands but there is a reason that one sold for very little .
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Post by tusses on Aug 22, 2008 20:44:56 GMT
1st off, can someone edit the long post that goes off the screen please ;D ok .. picked up the moulder today. It looks a well thought out bit of kit ! the fence is split and each side moves indipendently in and out and side to side. it looks to me like it has a good guard. the table tilts it has a sliding dovetail mitre slot takes a range of cutters looks like I can swap the motor easily the motor is 3/4 hp and 2840 rpm with a 3:1 pully so 8520 rpm at the cutter. I've done a bit of cleaning here are some pics to be going on with I'll be asking more questions about its safety in a bit !          I have another thread with more pics that I wont duplicate here ! |
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