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Post by tusses on Sept 12, 2008 19:46:33 GMT
painting proper wood still seems to me to be a complete waste of time and effort of sorting decent wood out, so why not use a processed product?  paul  well to me - because it will last. I still cant get to grips with this disposable society we seem to be living in  |
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Post by sainty on Sept 12, 2008 19:54:43 GMT
Thanks all,
JasonB, you were correct with your first assumption, I was referring to MDF Doors, I have seen your method posted before and it makes more sense knowing about the adjustable groover. The talk of veneered panels was me letting my mind wonder.
rgds
Stu
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Post by jfc on Sept 12, 2008 20:41:23 GMT
It will last as long as it is in fashion . when its not people will renew it . When people buy a new house more often than not they add the cost of new upvc windows and a new kitchen onto the mortgage .
On another note ive never seen rotten mdf , ive seen a hell of a lot of rotten wood .
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Post by engineerone on Sept 12, 2008 21:03:28 GMT
you know if we called it ENGINEERED WOOD, maybe you guys would take it more seriously ;D the fact is that so called proper wood will in fact become less and less available, not least in london where you have fewer woodyards than ever before. but more importantly we are losing through out the world more and more trees so less will be converted into timber that we can use. it therefore makes sense to use "rubbish" to reduce the waste of proper wood. and jason's comments about rot are very important. paul |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Sept 12, 2008 22:21:37 GMT
you know if we called it ENGINEERED WOOD, maybe you guys would take it more seriously ;D the fact is that so called proper wood will in fact become less and less available, not least in london where you have fewer woodyards than ever before. but more importantly we are losing through out the world more and more trees so less will be converted into timber that we can use. it therefore makes sense to use "rubbish" to reduce the waste of proper wood. and jason's comments about rot are very important. paul Nah it's sh*t. Where on earth do you think mdf comes from? It looks like garbage but that doesn't mean it's made of waste.Its made of new wood fer crissake!!. It's a dreadful waste of real wood. New wood to garbage in one step. It's absolute garbage, and everything that's made with it is too. Total effin rubbish. cheers Jacob Just thought I'd make myself clear ;D ;D |
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Post by jake on Sept 12, 2008 22:27:41 GMT
Nah it's sh*t. And its made of new wood. It's a dreadful waste of real wood. It's absolute garbage, and everything thats made with it is too. Total effin rubbish. Righteous brother, was that spasm orgasmic? |
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Post by engineerone on Sept 12, 2008 23:46:32 GMT
so how much pollarding to you do then jacob??? we have this strange lack of use of smaller trees which need to be removed to allow the stronger trees to grow, since we now rarely use hurdles made of green wood, and for instance round high wycombe, almost no one makes furniture for sale anymore, what do you do with the wood? paul |
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Post by jfc on Sept 13, 2008 7:26:23 GMT
And there was me thinking a craftsman will chose the best materials for the job in hand . Oh well , takes all sorts i suppose |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Sept 13, 2008 8:38:15 GMT
so how much pollarding to you do then jacob??? we have this strange lack of use of smaller trees which need to be removed to allow the stronger trees to grow, since we now rarely use hurdles made of green wood, and for instance round high wycombe, almost no one makes furniture for sale anymore, what do you do with the wood? paul ;D You'll be telling us next about the little old chaps in the woods sitting round charcoal fires boiling up pots of organic mdf whilst eating bacon sandwiches ;D Nah is all B***x, mdf is very un-green - a vast industrial process with a huge carbon footprint, making a second rate and highly obsolescent material for cheap throw-away furniture. cheers Jacob Anyway Paul I'm surprised you are so keen on it; you've got all those lovely high end tools and other kit. It's a bit like setting yourself up to cook, with an AGA, lots of Le-Creuset, stainless steel everything, big Kenwood chef, and then using it too warm up TV dinners, yesterdays leftovers, and takeaways ;D ;D |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Sept 13, 2008 12:14:29 GMT
it is important to remember that much of the magic of shaker is it was built in furniture at a time when that was unusual, but until probably after the second world war, it was unknown over here, and to most people in the USA too i think. Fitted furniture is as old as houses. Older praps - I bet they had it in caves! Common as anything in Georgian and Victorian buildings, and all ages I guess. Yes certainly to use cheaper wood if painting it. No need for mdf though, and it's still crap painted! |
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Post by jfc on Sept 13, 2008 16:21:17 GMT
I had a look at my spindle tooling today and the tenon heads are 125mm blocks , a bit over kill for cupboards doors i think ;D I also have the omas door making interlocking blocks . They do an ogee and an ovolo with a scribe mould and stop tenon that goes into the groove . I'm not sure if you can buy blank knives to do a plain shaker door , i'll look into that one .
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Post by jonnyd on Sept 13, 2008 18:08:01 GMT
Another thing to consider is that the whitehill tenon blocks knives are HSS and if your running loads of mdf through them they might dull quickly
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Post by tusses on Sept 13, 2008 20:34:11 GMT
How about using a dado blade  |
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