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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Sept 18, 2008 10:54:18 GMT
I have a client who would like a couple of chairs made like the one in the photo. I don’t make chairs and I feel it is trade of its own. So I was wondering if you guys know of a chair maker who is capable of undertaking such a project. These chairs are not part of the project I am undertaking. It’s just the client can’t find any one willing to under take such a project. So really I am only fishing about on behalf of my client. I have no further information regarding timber species etc all I have is what you see before you.  |
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Post by Sgian Dubh on Sept 18, 2008 22:55:14 GMT
If your client is looking to spend something like (off the top of my head) £8500- £10000 for the pair I'd be glad to design and get something made that is similar to the photographed chair.
My charges would include a separate design fee, which doesn't get them any working drawings they can take away and get someone else to price the job on, and a price based on the agreed finalised design, plus delivery charges dependent upon where the chairs have to go to. Slainte.
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Post by sainty on Sept 19, 2008 6:31:27 GMT
I'll do it for £8499 inc delivery  |
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Post by wizer on Sept 19, 2008 8:13:02 GMT
I'll do it for £8000 If you can wait about 5yrs for it |
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Post by jfc on Sept 19, 2008 8:26:59 GMT
I know just the guy , i cant get hold of him right now but will PM you the number if hes ok with it .
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Sept 19, 2008 8:33:16 GMT
I know just the guy , i cant get hold of him right now but will PM you the number if hes ok with it . This isn't the mdf chair challenge is it? ;D cheers Jacob |
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Post by wizer on Sept 19, 2008 8:43:16 GMT
I've got a set of MDF dining chairs Jacob, you'd love them!
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Post by jfc on Sept 19, 2008 8:43:42 GMT
PM sent .
Jacob ;D
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Sept 19, 2008 13:47:31 GMT
I know just the guy , i cant get hold of him right now but will PM you the number if hes ok with it . This isn't the mdf chair challenge is it? ;D cheers Jacob No This is the MDF challenge Spiral stairs constructed from prime eurpoean oak and oak veneered man made board. .jpg) |
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Sept 19, 2008 13:48:43 GMT
Thank you I have emailed him the photo for his consideration. |
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Post by maltrout512 on Sept 20, 2008 16:42:23 GMT
Thats twisting the wrong way!!!!!
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Sept 20, 2008 16:53:16 GMT
Thank you I have emailed him the photo for his consideration. Did I say I'd do it or something? I don't remember, must have been p***d.  Did we agree a price? I had a figure of £7999.99p in mind. Anyway, I can't wait to get going on it. ;D ;D Though it'll have to wait til I find some chucked out mdf in a skip. It's never there when you want it! cheers Jacob |
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Post by tusses on Sept 20, 2008 19:02:27 GMT
Thats twisting the wrong way!!!!! looks the right way to me  or are you thinking of knights of old running up the stairs with sword in hand ? |
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Post by mel on Sept 20, 2008 20:57:51 GMT
wow!!! thats a nice chair , and would look very nice sat next to another one , in the correct setting
there are few left who have the skills required to make that
sgian dubh has it right , and is one of the few people who could make that chair
david charlesworth , {IIRC} also springs too mind , or one of his students
an internet search could be worth a try
good luck
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Post by ''The village idiot'' on Sept 20, 2008 20:58:02 GMT
Thats twisting the wrong way!!!!! If they were for knights of old then the knight wouldn’t get very far he would be right in front of the wall of the upper games room. By looking at the ceiling above the bar and the wall at the rear of the stairs, you should be able to ascertain the stairs come up in the corner of the scalextric and model train room. Plus when the damsel is running away from her knight you don’t want her falling head over ears into the bar. |
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Post by Sgian Dubh on Sept 21, 2008 8:02:52 GMT
wow!!! thats a nice chair , and would look very nice sat next to another one , in the correct setting mel, what I always find most interesting about all these cases wherein a potential customer looks for a maker other than the originator of the piece to make a copy is, why? If it is a one-off type piece created by a furniture designer maker, why not simply commission that designer maker to make another, a pair, or a set? The designer maker will have already sorted out all the technical issues and will almost certainly have all the jigs, rods, patterns and so on to hand. Someone reproducing that item, or an item very similar, has to go through all the same prototyping phases and those costs must be passed on to the customer if the maker wants to make a profit. For example I can see that there could be in the region of 200 hours workshop time required to make that pair of chairs, or a pair like it; I've made enough chairs during my career to know that a typical developmental phase of a complicated prototype chair, which that one is, usually takes between eighty and 120 hours. If it is a batch or mass produced item then why not simply go to the retail outlet and buy what you want? In both examples above there are intellectual property issues to consider if you are commissioned to create an exact replica-- it's not your design and the original designer or artist could object. We had a case of this at a college I worked at. A student made a piece that was very similar to an item designed and made by someone quite famous in the furniture world. The 'quite famous' person found out about it and heavyweight lawyers letters started appearing that included in them such draconian demands that the item be destroyed. The student piece was locked up at the college and couldn't be sold, displayed or removed until the legal mess was resolved. There are more issues I could discuss, but I'd guess that is enough for now. Slainte. |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Sept 21, 2008 8:50:05 GMT
I've been asked to do this several times - nothing as posh as this chair but more ordinary stuff like ingenious pub tables, or deck chairs - those slatted "steamer" chairs whatever they are called.
They presumably thought I would be a lot cheaper.
First thing I ask them to do is to bring me an original example so I can pull it apart and have a good look. They don't come back! They don't realise that design/development, prototypes etc are going to cost a lot. Just making the thing is relatively simple and the originator has got it all sorted out and cost effective.
cheers
Jacob
PS I should add - the best way to develop design and craft skills is copy, copy copy!
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Post by Sgian Dubh on Sept 21, 2008 12:29:45 GMT
.... would be a lot cheaper. cheers, Jacob In my experience Jacob that motive covers it about 90%+ of the time. However, there sometimes are good reasons for a potential client to ask for a copy of a piece they have a photograph of, eg, it is a mass or batch produced item no longer made, nor in stock anywhere; or the designer and maker can't fulfil the order at all for some reason, or perhaps not to a timescale that suits the client, or he or she is unwilling to make another example of a piece they are tired of making-- they've moved on to other things. There are reproductions that never will infringe intellectual property rights, eg, reproducing antiques and old furniture. I'm not sure of that in the case of the chairs under discussion; they have a fairly contemporary look to them but no doubt Alan, who posted the question, can say who designed the chairs, and when. Slainte. |
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