Spindle moulder block

[cuttingsolutions]

modernist said:

Just going back the question of blocks I agree with the alloy bock with tungsten knives and spurs for nearly all general work.
Second is a variable slotter with shims. (Try OMAS)
Third is a Universal Euro block to take profiled knives, preferably with a recessed top collar to allow wide tenons to ride over the top.
You have just spent £350!!

Brian

Brian
If you buy the right alloy block it will also have the seatings for the universal knives and defelctors....so you dont need another block. if you look here you will see the whole range availabe www.xs-0031.nl/stehlebv/pdf/2006/Stehle%20Katalog%20Profil_FG.pdf...the "DUO" heads on page 4 of the catalogue.....I can supply that for £75 p+p +vat
Hope that link works its a large file so may take a while to load.
By variable slotter i presume you mean an adjustable groover
i can supply 160 mm diameter 4-7.5mm = £195.00, 7.5-14.5 mm = £145.00, 12-24mm = £150.00, all with 30 or 1 1/4" bore sizes....and you can possibly use these for tenons too

so not quite as pricy as 350 squids

[modernist]

Good range!

At the time I could not get a block that would also take a recessed head for a Felder/Hammer spindle so ended up making a cap myself for the block.



This works fine with the Axminster block

All royalties in pints of Bass please.

Brian

[cuttingsolutions]

Brian
I am having a bad day....
do you have some photo's of the cap and how it fits/suits the block and spindle....or a link so i can see it
I dont know the hammer and felder machines too well but assumed there was the usual thread at the end to lock the block in place....
Sorry...brains now gone really numb

[modernist]

Attached

[cuttingsolutions]

so internal thread on the shaft, which allows for profiled tenons?

was the block already recessed?

Is there an external thread on the shaft or do the hammer/felder all have internal threads?


BTW if i'd known you were conversant with PCD I would have asked you to let me have that info for the saw blade pinholes

[modernist]

Yes the Ax block comes with a chamfered washer and c/sunk cap screw which presumably fits other spindles with a tapped hole in the top of the shaft. They don't appear to do one for the Felder which has a different size thread and requires drive pins (remember them ) to hold the shaft steady. I made the top peg spanner holes to suit a standard angle grinder spanner @ 30mm pcd.

Brian

[modernist]

Actually I drew it and my 84 year old dad turned it on his 1920's ML7

[cuttingsolutions]

Seems very common for felder to tweek tooling to suit only themselves. but looking at some of their prices they dont sem to overcharge by too much

[modernist]

I agree. To be fair to Felder the general engineering is top drawer and I actually bought all my blocks from the Hammer range which look like OMAS (maybe they are OMAS) but are cheaper, especially on their promotions.

Some of the replacement tips are pricey though

[cuttingsolutions]

Ahem....
Pricey
not if you ask the right person

[sainty]

Hey! Who's nicked my thread!! ;D Interesting though.

jfc said:

Have you managed to get the nut off the spindle yet ?

Yeah JFC, that was never the problem. It was securing the cutter block with no spindle lock or means of holding the block whilst tightening the nut that was the problem. I bought a Wealden universal rebate block in the end and used a pair of grips on one of the spacers that locks on the spindle . Not so sure I'd be comfortable running it in reverse though.

I haven't really had the chance to have a "play" with it yet but I did manage to get it spinning and made a couple of rebates on some scrap. Really satisfying experience, I wasn't prepared for how easy it is to take large cuts in a single pass. Love it!

Have you got your new power feed?

Jacob, I assumed that they were ring fences just not had the chance to fit it all together yet!

I will investigate the groovers at some time when I get the chance.

Cheers

Sainty

[woodworker]

Here's a Felder cap.
The longest Tenon I've made using this block to date is 6" .

[jfc]

No new power feed yet matey as i need to restock the clamps and bessey k seems to be the ones ( although i think i need to add a bar on the handle to make my dodgy joints look good ;D )
Keep your eye on ebay for one though as they really are good !

[jfc]

[/The longest Tenon I've made using this block to date is 6" .quote]

Ok i need a new spindle !!!! Doug do you sell spindles for a bursgreen ?

[modernist]

woodworker said:

Here's a Felder cap.

Where'd you get that from?

[cuttingsolutions]

Jas
Not usually my realm but if you are struggling I know loads of people who may be able to help.....probably 30% of businesses I know are in the refurbished machine side of the industry...give me call.

[dom]

modernist said:

woodworker said:

Here's a Felder cap.

Where'd you get that from?

They come as standard with the spacers on the spindle

[engineerone]

jason, even i can push the joints together easily with a bessey k
without a lever stuffed through the handle, works very well with my weak hand pressure, as colin can tell you. ;D

paul

[jfc]

Doug i will try and call tomorrow mate but not sure if my spindle is able to be removed

Paul , i really dont want to know how Colin knows about your hand pressure

[dom]

Why, why would you put that picture in our heads ?

[jfc]

Just a thought but i do have a wadkin serated block with the cap . Could i tap my spindle to take the bolt to hold it on My spindle does have a sort of hole to show the centre so i could use that to make sure the tapping is right .

[Scrit]

jfc said:

The longest Tenon I've made using this block to date is 6" .

OK I need a new spindle !!!! Doug do you sell spindles for a bursgreen ?

Silly boy! I've already told you that the thing DOESN'T have a removeable top piece........

jfc said:

Could I tap my spindle to take the bolt to hold it on My spindle does have a sort of hole to show the centre so I could use that to make sure the tapping is right .

I think that desperation is setting in here....... The problem with tapping an existing spindle top which is threaded to take a tool locking nut is that you'll then end up having to position the cutter block at the top of the spindle - right over the thread. In that position the tool will probably suffer from vibration as it won't really be properly seated (i.e. it'll be on the threaded bit of the spindle shaft so the bore of the cutter will be at best a sloppy fit on the that shaft). It may be possible to engineer a sort of inverted top hat with a flange to hold the cutter on which could sit over the top of your spindle shaft (on an RS/BRS is 1in diameter) but I still have my doubts about such an apprioach. Incidentally the "APTC" block referred to above is actually a badged Whitehill block

Scrit

[jfc]

I've already told you that the thing DOESN'T have a removeable top piece

Did they change that when Wadkin bought out Bursgreen then ?

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[Scrit]

jfc said:

I've already told you that the thing DOESN'T have a removeable top piece

Did they change that when Wadkin bought out Bursgreen then ?

Firstly, and because I'm feeling pedantic, Wadkin bought out Sagar, NOT Bursgreen, and Sagar owned the Bursgreen name following the merger with/take-over of Burrows, Green & Co. in about 1947.....

Secondly, Wadkin offered a removeable top piece for almost all their spindles - at an extra cost. A lot of people chose to forego this facility on cost grounds.

Thirdly, if you recall we went round the houses on this one a while back and I distinctly recall you telling me that the spindle had no securing nut at its' base - so how do you get the top of the spindle off?

Scrit

[jfc]

so how do you get the top of the spindle off?

Angle grinder ;D

Thought i had you for a while there and it felt good but alas i am now back in my place