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Post by lynx on Nov 13, 2008 17:51:08 GMT
I usually use titebond 3, but did find a post de-laminating last week due to the cold (i think, maybe not enough glue). Just wondering what other options i have for adhesive that is fairly cold tolerant whilst curing. The unit has high ceiling so it's not easy to heat the space and it pretty damn cold at times.
The job in question, is curved door frames in Sapele
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Post by jfc on Nov 13, 2008 17:54:20 GMT
I use PVA and cover over the work with a dust sheet if its cold . Never had a problem and my build area is pretty open .
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Post by lynx on Nov 13, 2008 18:50:33 GMT
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Post by jfc on Nov 13, 2008 19:19:31 GMT
Naaaa , that stuff is like expanding foam and although the tack time is short it still needs 24 hours to bond . I would just go for a unibond or gripfill PVA . Just chuck a few dust sheets over it during clamp up or clamp up in the morning .
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Post by lynx on Nov 13, 2008 19:23:37 GMT
where do you get either of these from then Jas
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Post by jfc on Nov 13, 2008 19:30:38 GMT
I pick mine up at Alsford timber , about £20 -£25 for 5L . Hang on and i'll find some online for you .
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Post by jfc on Nov 13, 2008 19:37:03 GMT
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Post by sainty on Nov 13, 2008 20:21:39 GMT
B&Q do bigger tubs of this - not sure what size though rgds Stu |
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Post by jonnyd on Nov 13, 2008 20:34:41 GMT
I get my pva from hafele about £12 for 5 litres. I think its D3 grade for exterior but not sure will check label tommorow. I have a woodburning stove so i just leave the items being glued near it. I also have a couple of old electric blankets of a double bed and i put them over the workpiece if its big. I also lay these over the veneer press when its cold gets the local temperature up nicely.
jon
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Post by engineerone on Nov 13, 2008 20:51:05 GMT
surely it is actually worth trying to find out the temperature ranges of the glues both in storage, and in usage??? it may be that as was said it was not the cold, but glue starvation, but in the same way that glues go off in the heat, surely they may also be vulnerable in the cold?? and in fact do any of the specs give you an indication of the ability of the glue to operate in different temperature ranges? paul  |
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Post by TonyW on Nov 14, 2008 15:26:17 GMT
surely it is actually worth trying to find out the temperature ranges of the glues both in storage, and in usage??? paul I think it is important to follow the manufacturers guidelines. For Titebond III: "Use when temperature, glue and materials are above 45°F. Store product below 75°F. Storage above this temperature may cause product to thicken and reduce the usable shelf life. If thickened, shake vigorously by firmly tapping bottle on a hard surface until product is restored to original form.
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Post by mooretoolsplease on Nov 17, 2008 12:59:08 GMT
£20-£25 for 5litres  I pay about £9 +vat for sovereign D3 grade for 5 litres! Never had any problems with it. |
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Post by lynx on Nov 17, 2008 20:26:13 GMT
jon, did you get chance to see what adhesive you use from hafele? I need to bump up an order so may as well order some
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Post by jonnyd on Nov 17, 2008 20:40:19 GMT
Hi had a look today as i was using it. Its D3 grade with a temperature range of 5-30 degrees. Hafele part no. 003.17.002.
jon
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Post by lynx on Nov 17, 2008 20:45:07 GMT
nice one, thanks
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