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Post by woodnut on Jan 5, 2009 19:05:11 GMT
can anyone tell me the best bevel edge chisels to buy oh please can someone help?  |
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Post by paulchapman on Jan 5, 2009 19:37:00 GMT
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Post by jfc on Jan 5, 2009 19:43:32 GMT
Buy old ones from EBay . They are alot nicer to sharpen .
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Post by engineerone on Jan 5, 2009 19:54:18 GMT
jason, chisels, sharpening   ;D a lot depends on the budget that you have, and what you need. there is of course the american brand blue spruce. or you could try two cherries, or kirschen which are both german and then there is the bahco range. otherwise some of the japanese items have some value too. thing to do is buy odd ones from different ranges, like a 12mm one or similar, and see which you prefer. as jason says check out ebay, but quality may be more of a problem. hth paul  |
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Post by Telos on Jan 5, 2009 19:54:24 GMT
All depends on what you want to do with them and if you are a collector or not Lie Nielsen are very good but damn hard to sharpen thanks to super hard steel. If you just need a reasonable set of chisels for general work (opening tins of paint  ) I'd just buy a set of Bahcos. If you want a quality set of bench chisels then I'd recommend the new Ashley Isles Mk II. (Don't have them but would buy them if I needed to buy a general set again now.) I use Robert Sorby's bevel edge range as a general bench chisel and Sorby's registered chisels for mortising as they are indestructible. For dovetails I use a couple of Blue Spruce's, as they really are the Dog's B***** (and look fantastic, which is important if you are into gloating  ) |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jan 5, 2009 20:00:02 GMT
lei neilson are extremely expensive; you can get very good quality at a fraction of the price such as these top end 'footprint' but over a tenner a chisel you don't get much for the extra dosh, except they'll look very nice like these Sorby offerings - still a fraction of the LN price . In any case it's the quality of the sharpening which matters more than the quality of the chisel (or saw or that matter). I find Ebay a bit of a gamble - it may look like a good chisel but it might need 10mm taking off to get back to hard steel if it's been blued on a grindstone - you don't really know as they are often polished up too, by enthusiastic dealers. But cheap! |
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Post by modernist on Jan 5, 2009 20:37:10 GMT
Those Footprint look OK for the money but I would check them in the flesh first. I recently bought some Footprint plastic handled gouges and was very disappointed in the finish. Perhaps they were a lower range.
If Bacho are as good as the old blue handled Stanley then they would be my choice for a good combination of steel quality, ease of sharpening, comfort and price.
Yer pays yer money...........
Brian
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Post by jfc on Jan 5, 2009 20:50:20 GMT
I got this lot off ebay for next to nothing  All of them are fine but as said it depends what you want to do with them . I use mine to cut wood . |
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Post by engineerone on Jan 5, 2009 20:54:25 GMT
old footprint are certainly decent, not sure about the latest ones. paul |
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Post by jfc on Jan 5, 2009 21:03:15 GMT
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jan 5, 2009 21:08:21 GMT
old footprint are certainly decent, not sure about the latest ones. paul I've got a new cheap red plastic handle footprint and it's perfectly OK so I guess their top range will be even better! They look nice jfc - you've been luckier than me. So you use them on wood? It can play havoc with your chisels you know ;D I've had some crap from ebay. Usually because they have been crudely buffed up with the face edges all rounded etc. Next time I'll only buy in untouched condition. Also I've realised that some were softened but only after a year or more of use/sharpening when they suddenly seem to have got harder to sharpen, having had soft bits removed. Unless it's me getting weaker; could be. |
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Post by Head clansman on Jan 5, 2009 21:47:51 GMT
Hi woodnut
old ones from e bay IMHO Marples the quality of steel in the older tools is much superior than the modern day tools. hc
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Post by colincott on Jan 5, 2009 23:37:46 GMT
I would also say to ebay and get some Marples as I have seen and used some of JFC's ( Lucky git ), plus I have had some from there myself. Most of my workshop chisels or old Marples plus 2 Sorbys and I have been very happy with the Marples ( almost forgot that I also have a I Sorby with was 50p at a car boot, did need a little work but great chisel ). If you are not bothered about looks you could also get some of these, which did get a very good review in one of the mags and that was up against two cherrys and some others |
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Post by jfc on Jan 6, 2009 18:49:16 GMT
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Post by thebloke on Jan 7, 2009 15:39:00 GMT
The LN A2 chisels are excellent...sharpening is not an issue using DMT stones. One of the distinct advantages of the socketed style is that if you whip out the original hornbeam handle and spin up a little button knob on the lathe, you can turn them into butt chisels. Have a look at Jan's' F&C to see what I mean (little plug there ;D)...better than a BOGOF offer at Sainsbury's (if anyone North of Watford has heard of them ) Jacob - if you do happen by chance on a copy, it's a Krenovian style cabinet ;D - Rob |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Jan 7, 2009 16:17:32 GMT
snip Jacob - if you do happen by chance on a copy, it's a Krenovian style cabinet ;D - Rob I'll keep my eyes peeled - you see a lot of them at car boots but I've never thought to buy one ;D . |
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Post by woodpecker on Jan 7, 2009 19:03:25 GMT
There is a lot of rhetoric talked about tools.
If you are a full time professional woodworker using hand tools all the time then by all means buy Lea Nielsen or similar. Even so, you may not be able to justify the cost.
If though you are a woodworking hobbyist (and not a tool collector!) then buy old, branded tools and re-furbish them yourself. Old Marples or Stanley chisels were made from excellent steel. They do not hold their edge particularly well on hardwoods but they sharpen easily. Modern, hard tool steels hold their edge well but can be a pig to sharpen.
Buy from Ebay.
Richard
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Post by jfc on Jan 7, 2009 21:05:21 GMT
Couldnt agree more . I am a pro and wont spend out silly money on planes and have changed from modern saws to the old ones although a hardpoint sandvik is still a used tool . All modern chisels havent been touched for over a year and all my old ones have been from ebay . I'm looking forward to seeing my tyzak / marples turn up I forgot to ask why the op wants bevel edge chisels and not firmers ? |
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Post by Keith on Jan 8, 2009 7:45:20 GMT
I have a set of the L-N chisels bought for me as a present. Trouble is they are too good to use and are just left in a drawer. For day to day use I have a couple of sets of split proof Marples which are fine for me. PS the chisels were a present, so they are not for sale. ;D |
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Post by nickw on Jan 8, 2009 9:12:20 GMT
I use my LN chisels all the time. They are a little harder to sharpen the O2 etc. steel but keep their edge for ages as noted above. They also do not rust or stain if you use them to scrape glue and neglect to wipe it off immediately, and can be used as levers (ahem, not that I ever so that of course) without breaking the edge off, and do not chip when they come across dried glue.
Keith, try using them, they will take a lot of (ab)use, and you may get to like them.
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Post by Keith on Jan 8, 2009 11:08:19 GMT
Nick I do like them, in fact they are fabulous but the sort of abuse I dish out to my tools is bordering on the immoral at times.
When I semi retire and just concentrate on cabinet making I'll get them out to play ;D
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Post by keith2 on Jan 9, 2009 18:52:44 GMT
hello all, another option on ebay is to buy chisel tangs and then turn your own handles.There are some good bargains on ebay .
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Post by woodnut on Jan 10, 2009 17:48:20 GMT
thank,s for all the sugestion seens to be a personel thing
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) but I've used them and was very impressed.
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) I'd just buy a set of Bahcos.
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