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Post by cuttingsolutions on Mar 7, 2008 8:22:38 GMT
Doug/Dave? says whats in a name   There were times when he replied to a few questions when we were very new  Looks like someone's feathers have been ruffled so perhaps I shall just put comments here where I think they are helpful and those that want to look for the website can use their initiative ;D... must get on with adding more to the website I havent included things like the turnover knives that everyone uses in rebate cutterheads 50x12x1.5 2 cutting edges @ £13.00 for a box of ten and 14x14x2 scribing knives @ £10.00 per box BTW Modernist how did the blade with the correct pinholes peform or are you wating to try it...I noticed you said you were on site for a week on another thread. Dave www.cutting-solutions.co.uk |
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Post by jfc on Mar 7, 2008 9:29:02 GMT
As long as they keep the adverts in the for sale section ;D |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Mar 7, 2008 9:32:22 GMT
I think this is unacceptable. Free exchange of information on an individual basis is OK but to be actively promoting products is not. Why should we allow free advertising? That's not what people come to this site for. I thought the whole point of this site is to be independent.
Come on mods - tell him to stop it.
cheers
Jacob
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Mar 7, 2008 9:34:12 GMT
As long as they keep the adverts in the for sale section ;D Supposed to be for private sales - not trade? cheers Jacob |
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Post by jfc on Mar 7, 2008 10:13:22 GMT
Not at all in fact i invited cutting solutions here because he offers tooling i thought the forum members would like . Ive also invited other tool dealers to post because i thought it would benifit the forum to know where to get certain things .
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Mar 7, 2008 10:39:31 GMT
Yebbut people come here for our wit and wisdom (such as it is). They are getting a free ride on our backs. There are paid advertising spaces available from proboard, which is where they should go.
It's also probably against the proboard terms of use.
cheers
Jacob
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Post by modernist on Mar 7, 2008 10:53:19 GMT
Doug/Dave? says whats in a name : BTW Modernist how did the blade with the correct pinholes peform or are you wating to try it...I noticed you said you were on site for a week on another thread. Dave In answer to the first question "trust" and the second - next week Also I think Jacob is right. I was concerned that the forum was becoming a CS marketing operation. There is nothing wrong with being made aware of a good source for cutters - I am all for that but it should be from the member who recommends them, in this case jfc, and should be in the sales section if from CS. Can we have a "mods" opinion please. Incidentally jfc can you identify your cutter grinder please? Brian |
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Post by dom on Mar 7, 2008 12:17:21 GMT
Well, we all agreed it's an open forum.
Voice your opinions.
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Post by jfc on Mar 7, 2008 12:21:12 GMT
My cutter grinder ? i think you meen Jacobs as i get mine done for me but i too would be interested to know how he grinds them and what tooling he uses . My opinion on sales is CS sells the stuff we want and yes his sales should be in the for sale area . He has given some good advice to a few members about tooling and i think thats a good thing and thank him for it . Your right , we cant let the forum become a platform for tool dealers but having them here cant be a bad thing can it  |
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Post by modernist on Mar 7, 2008 12:26:21 GMT
Fine by me - on we go Back to door blocks. That price seems very high. If I remember rightly you can get a full window set from Felder for £2.5k. On the same subject, just, can anyone tell me where to buy some ready ground knives for a Euro block to mill a Euro groove i.e. 12.3mm sqr groove with a 16.3m x 2mm rebate along the top? Brian |
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Post by modernist on Mar 7, 2008 12:31:56 GMT
My cutter grinder ? i think you meen Jacobs as i get mine done for me but i too would be interested to know how he grinds them and what tooling he uses . No I meant who you use with the X ray gear?My opinion on sales is CS sells the stuff we want and yes his sales should be in the for sale area . He has given some good advice to a few members about tooling and i think thats a good thing and thank him for it . Your right , we cant let the forum become a platform for tool dealers but having them here cant be a bad thing can it |
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Post by cuttingsolutions on Mar 7, 2008 12:37:12 GMT
Jacob
Sorry I got a bit carried away with my last post, which was intended as a bit of a wind up. Perhaps in poor taste.
I would like people to buy stuff from me.
But I will also give free help and advise when its needed, if I get a sale as a result I will be happy. As far as this forum is concerned that is how I will operate. Anyone contacting through the web site I will seek to get an order as a result of the advise.
Dave
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Post by jfc on Mar 7, 2008 12:42:39 GMT
Ahhhhh the xray gear people . NLS 019927 10888
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Post by engineerone on Mar 7, 2008 13:14:03 GMT
personally i think maybe we should have a special post for those specialist suppliers who often don't advertise in the accepted media, or are in a specialist niche and to whom we might not get introduced. some people do not read the woodworking mags all the time, and also there are questions about metal working which cannot be answered directly. so although i understand the idea about retailers /suppliers getting a free ride, in fact how do you find out about new things??? so rather than saying no, i suggest we have a section under sales that is what our specialists services can offer. the mods, or jason and dom ;D can provide an overview. frankly i agree a no to say axminster and d&m etc, but the smaller guys like dragon, maybe cutting solutions etc we would only get onto through an introduction. paul |
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Post by modernist on Mar 7, 2008 13:22:58 GMT
Seems like a good idea to me, we could have a compilation of specialist suppliers for reference.
Go on then Doug and/or Dave quote me for some knives for the Eurogroove - by pm if you like
Brian
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Post by cuttingsolutions on Mar 7, 2008 13:47:03 GMT
Brian Here www.frezite.pt/fotos/familias/cap4_1196853135.pdf ....sorry its a pdf file a may take a while to load. anyway the "standard" profile has 9.5/2.5 mm as you can see. is that what you require for the Universal cutterhead? knives and deflectors? Dave |
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Post by jfc on Mar 7, 2008 13:54:11 GMT
And while your at it can i have a quote for a 12mm chain for the Ryobi chain morticer and a 210 fine toothed blade for my metabo chop saw ooooooo and a bandsaw blade too 2489mm , mainly used to cut tenons but the record blades wonder , 3/4 3 skip ?. Ta ;D
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Mar 7, 2008 14:18:07 GMT
I'm happy about Doug or anybody giving out impartial advice, and in the process letting it be known that they are in the trade, with web link. But trade type promoting, advertising, negotiating, should be by PM - not even in our ads section. They'll all be at it given half a chance - you'll end up with bandwidth probs, and breaking the proboard terms (I guess)
Why give the bu**ers free advertising space?
That's what's nice about groups like this - getting away from the magazine ethos of heavy advertising, product placement etc - and being able to be as critical as we want.
You could end up like it is over there where they are grovellingly grateful for every half baked manuacturer, guru or journo who deigns to comment
Doug said :Thats OK by me
cheers
Jacob
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Mar 8, 2008 10:43:12 GMT
Also it's bad manners to go into promo mode - it's like being at a party; perfectly OK to talk about your stuff with anybody interested, but really not done to whip out your samples, brochures and go in for a hard sell.
You might not get re-invited!
cheers
Jacob
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Post by sainty on Mar 8, 2008 12:03:49 GMT
I think that it is a good idea to have suppliers active on the forum. For someone like me who has limited experience to be able to correspond with suppliers on the forum in the open adds a bit of security to the process of buying new gear. It also adds to the general pool of knowledge to have someone from the "other side" able to chip in and give advice from time to time, especially with any new technology that is out there. Of course it could all go too far and we get swamped but if carefully managed I really don't see it being a problem. As to free advertising, with such a captive pool of prospective customers I'm sure that we should be able to negotiate a group discount? It will also work both ways, if there is a bad transaction or poor advice is given it will be exposed and the trader will lose face. Sainty |
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Post by 9fingers on Mar 8, 2008 17:33:54 GMT
I'd be in favour of a forum section where those who can supply goods & services could state their offering which could be searched by all to find what they need.
Perhaps even a links page to useful suppliers that forum members have found useful or offering good service.
Participation by those suppliers in discussion threads should limited to offering help or pointers to their services where relevant. Anyone blatantly flogging their wares at every opportunity should the subject of Mods warnings and ulimatly being banned.
Bob
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Post by woodworker on Mar 8, 2008 18:14:25 GMT
Fine by me - on we go Back to door blocks. That price seems very high. If I remember rightly you can get a full window set from Felder for £2.5k. Brian The problem with the Feld%% is the set is for the Euro style windows, not very popular over here. Shame as they aren't bad windows. and you still have to add to it price wise it's nearer 3K +. |
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Post by modernist on Mar 8, 2008 22:37:18 GMT
The problem with the Feld%% is the set is for the Euro style windows, not very popular over here. Shame as they aren't bad windows. and you still have to add to it price wise it's nearer 3K +. Its the Euro sort I prefer. I started another batch today and I'm going to put them in a thread of their own. Just to prove it here is the dimensioned stock  Not having a spare 3 grand I do them with normal rebate blocks and adjustable groovers with a 250mm set for the end bridle joints. More soon Brian |
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Post by sainty on Mar 8, 2008 22:41:43 GMT
Looking forward to see this Brian after trying (and not completing) to do some research on windows myself.
Rgds
Sainty
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Post by modernist on Mar 8, 2008 23:31:00 GMT
I've got an advantage there with a brother in law who lives in Munich. I went over and measured his and sourced the hardware, which is not so easy in the UK.
You may not have seen on some of my other threads that there is a Felder book (in German helpfully) on making German windows which is what I used for the sections.
You need to be a bit careful as Roto tilt and turn gear has changed recently and the top stays need a 20mm rebate, rather than the 18mm which used to be standard. At the moment I have some old gear to use up so am using 18mm and routing the top stay area to 20mm. there may be other changes but I havn't read the new literature yet until I get to then next set.
Hopefully I'll get the bridles and rebates cut tomorrow so I'll post some info.
Brian
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