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Post by jfc on Oct 14, 2007 23:47:22 GMT
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Post by ed on Oct 15, 2007 0:10:44 GMT
Jason - For a minute I thought it was a high diving board for the hot tub.  Ed |
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Post by Telos on Oct 15, 2007 14:56:51 GMT
Nice! Never seen a staircase being built in a garden before  Couple of N00b questions: what's with the new regulations that restricts you to only two turning treads? Do you have to cut the template tread pattern with those narrow angle dovetail cutters and if so what's the point? Surely the wedges aren't cut to fit the dovetail shape are they? Any inside info would be much appreciated, I love this sort of thing - almost seems like a forgotten art. |
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Post by jfc on Oct 15, 2007 15:47:44 GMT
There is no new regs that restrict you . There are normally three winder but from memory i couldn't fit three in and get my rise/going correct . This is probably going to open up loads of questions i cant answer because i built this one ages ago  ;D |
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Post by Scrit on Oct 15, 2007 20:03:07 GMT
what's with the new regulations that restricts you to only two turning treads? The regs don't do that, but there is a minimum going on the inside of the turn (i.e. the depth of the tread from nosing to the riser) of 50mm which generally restricts the number of kite winders you'll see in a domestic staircase. There are various other calculations which are used to calculate the DL (deemed width) and the length of a kite winder at it's central pitch line. These are in the building regs and also in the C&G texts by people such as Alan Brett, Les Goring and Porter & Rose. Surely the wedges aren't cut to fit the dovetail shape are they? No, they are ordinary taper wedges made from scrap stock and they are hammered in behind the risers and beneath the treads. The dovetail is fairly shallow and in conjunction with wedges and glue gives you a nice clean edge and tight joint between the stringer and the treads/risers which would otherwise be all but impossible to achieve. This is important, amongst other things, for draught- and fire-proofing and was even common practice before the introduction of the mechanised stair trenching machine. Assembled and modified a flight on site a couple of weeks back hence this is still fresh in my mind Scrit |
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Post by Telos on Oct 16, 2007 8:07:16 GMT
Thanks guys. That makes things a little clearer. I bought "Modern Practical Stairbuilding" by George Ellis a while back, 'cos I find this sort of thing interesting. Unfortunately, there isn't much "modern" or "practical" about Ellis. Great book, just not quite what I was expecting.
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Post by niki on Oct 17, 2007 17:09:37 GMT
Hi JFC It looks to me like the English and Polish methods of building stairs are different. I was with the guy (actually 4 guys) when he assembled the stairs in the house (the house was still in the building stage) and as I remember, the slots or rabbets where not tapered. But, I made the doors under the stairs... Regards niki    |
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Post by pigeonsarse on Oct 17, 2007 17:35:28 GMT
Is that because youre stairs are on show underneath tho? I think JFCs are ment to have a board or something to cover up all the wedges and stuff.
they look really nice tho!
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Post by Scrit on Oct 17, 2007 18:12:49 GMT
A softwood staircase normally has either a wooden panel or plasterboard infill (called an underdrawing in this part of the world). The underdrawing hides both the wedges and the rubbed glue blocks (two per step where the riser meets the underside of the tread). For visible joinery where the underside is shown a different form of construction with wedged stub tenons going into or through the stringer is often employed. At least that's how I've done them
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Post by niki on Oct 17, 2007 18:46:33 GMT
Thank you Pigeonsbum and Scrit
I don't know nothing about building stairs but in the Roy Sutton's book "Jig making for the router", he is showing a jig for stair building and it's the same pattern like JFC uses, with wedges.
My stairs are made of Oak...Polish Oak of course...
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Post by dom on Oct 17, 2007 18:56:21 GMT
In the UK we call it European Oak ;D  |
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Post by niki on Oct 17, 2007 19:05:39 GMT
Hi Dom
I'm surrounded by Oak woods...in a circle of 100 Km that I usually drive, it looks to me that they have enough Oak to cover the world requirements.
In Poland the Oak is protected tree and you need permission to cut it even if it is in your own garden (if it is over some diameter).
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Post by dom on Oct 17, 2007 19:41:50 GMT
Same here Niki.
In fact I believe they are considering a law on when you can far...
sorry, pass wind. ;D
Dom
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Post by andy king on Oct 18, 2007 16:22:41 GMT
My stairs are made of Oak...Polish Oak of course... Regards niki Shouldn't that be 'Polished' oak? ;D I'm sure I had a coat around here somewhere... Andy |
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Post by engineerone on Oct 18, 2007 19:52:38 GMT
and there was me thinking that jason couldn't spell, cause i could see no windows in the staircase  very nice work all of it. paul  |
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