Making a door

[jfc]

What im aiming for




Jointing the top middle and bottom rails with plastic biscuits







Shaping the head













All parts moulded and marked out





Finding out ive messed the head up ;D




cutting out for the wedges in the mortice




Tweaking the mortice and tenons .













The new head ;D




Dry fit




Making the raised panels






Clamp up

[engineerone]

as usual you seem to have spent more time taking the photos than making the door ;D

very impressive, but like most amateurs i am not sure i can see how you messed up the first top rail, so an explanation would be useful.

presumably, you used the spindle moulder for the fielded panels.

what wood did you use???

paul

[jfc]

The problem with the head was that all the returns had to be the same size . So it was 20mm on each end but the two centre ones where 20mm plus the glazing bar plus 20mm . I devided the first one into thirds but the outside two arches are just over a third . I think ;D

I used Meranti as they wanted a hardwood door but its going to be painted and is under an open porch .

[engineerone]

ok. at the risk of sounding like a failed schoolmaster, the easiest way to do it is add all the bits up, then divide by the number of parts.

so you had three curves, two glazing bars, plus the gaps, so you should have divided the whole distance by 7 or so i would have thought.

still since you got there anyway as i said well done, and it looks good.

in designing a little table at the moment, i have kind of made a rod ( steps back in fear and trembling ) and am trying out striking the sizes off the centre line.

it still takes some getting used to trying to have two sizes on the view, and understanding what you are trying to achieve.

what it has shown me though is that you would have been better to strike the centre line in pencil and marking off equally off that point. less waste more haste ;D

paul

[cbrsyd]

Ok at the risk of sounding very thick how do you fit the three top panels of glass ?

or is it one piece you can waggle into the grooves in the head and fix with gazing bars round the sides?

[jfc]

Yes the arched part is moulded both sides with a wide rebate that will be filled with putty , the rest is rebated for beading .
That was also the problem with marking out the arches . I had to work out for the rebate aswell as the moulding .

[dom]

Very nice Jason.

Will we be tidying up any time soon ?

[jfc]

Too busy for all that Dom .

[mailee]

That is truly beautiful Jason. I have some four panel doors to make shortly and they took enough working out without any arched tops. I also like the wood it is one of my favourites when i get chance to work in it. ;D
Just noticed the grain on the raised panels is horizontal instead of vertical, is there a reason for this?

[paulchapman]

Thanks for posting those pictures, Jason - very interesting. Why do you use plastic biscuits

Cheers

Paul

[jfc]

Mailee , the panels are that way because they where short enough to use one piece of timber . If i had made them the other way i would of had to join two bits to stop splitting or cupping . They are still on the cusp at @200mm .

Paul , i used plastic biscuits because even though it is under cover it is still external joinery . Timber biscuits and external joinery are not for me . That goes for dominos and dowels .

[engineerone]

like the other paul, i am intrigued by the idea that plastic biscuits are used. how do they hold the wood together, since they do not swell ( or do they)

agree with dom about the clean up though ;D

paul

[jfc]

Paul , they have small teeth on them that grab the timber . I only used them to locate the timber and give a little extra , it wasnt a structual idea . It was a structual idea not to use timber ones though . With the swelling there is moisture and then rot . With external joinery there is going to be a higher moisture content so more chance of rot . Why plant the seed in the middle of the timber so it rots faster ........

[engineerone]

worryingly jason that makes real and proper sense

but what about the clean up ;D


paul

[dirtydeeds]

you lot are obsessive about clean up

whats the point, its going to have paint runs all over the place anyway ;D

[staffie]

Very impressive and great WIP pictures as well, thanks for sharing with us.

Jock

[engineerone]

another question, are you or the client doing anything about draftproofing around the door jam??

paul

[jfc]

Are you saying my door wont fit

[engineerone]

let me, think, wood door, wood frame, and outside
maybe it will fit when you make it, but for the same
reason that you used plastic biscuits, i would suggest
there would be movement.

just interest only really, i have inherited a curtain over the door to my flat, but recently checked the gap around.

i tried some of the sliding door stuff cause i had some, and the door shut, but one of the locks wouldn't work properly, so i was hoping there my well be some other suggestions.

paul

[jfc]

Well the glass was finally ready

[9fingers]

Excellent result Jason ( but I thought it was number 3 not 14?) ;D

[cnc paul]

Nice job Jason, how many have you done in the road 3, 14, ?

[jfc]

Dammit ! wrong house I wondered why i never got a cup of tea ;D

[paulchapman]

Looks great, Jason.

Cheers

Paul

[Dave S]

jfc said:

Dammit ! wrong house I wondered why i never got a cup of tea ;D

If you delivered and fitted that to the wrong house by mistake I think you'd get more than just a cuppa!!

Very nice

Dave