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Post by craigmarshall on Feb 2, 2008 21:50:34 GMT
That looks very nice, Craig. And thanks for the lists - very useful comments. Cheers Paul Thanks Paul. I like reading other peoples "post-mortem" or analysis of what went right or wrong, so I want to be able to give the same thing back. Excellent commentary Craig, well worth the time and effort. Glad you found it worthwhile, Dom. By the way - did I thank you for the vise? Craig, s'good - and the lists of what you'd change/learnt are most illuminating (I fear you're in danger of slipping away to the Dark Side with this new-found love for the biscuit jointer though... ;D ). Have a KP anyway, just to show I'm not holding it against you. Cheers, Alf Don't worry alf, I'm not being swayed. I still have my dreams of doing everything by hand and using old fashioned, proven techniques. It's a little difficult where I work to actually get away with this though, but I'm able to use the workshop whenever I like now, to develop my hand skills on my own projects. Hopefully I'll one day become good enough and confident enough to use them in paying work. Things like hand cut mortise and tenons, and dovetails have a real appeal for me. I also very much like through-wedged tenons and pinned tenons. I still haven't had a chance to really try out Phil's beautiful Pau Rosa shoulder plane, I almost feel like I don't deserve it!! looks better in the flesh as it were than the drawing. it is always difficult to get a scale off a drawing. i agree about the staining. paul Not sure whether to take that as a compliment of my woodwork, or an insult to my drawing! ;D Probably a little of each. Thanks Paul! Cheers, Craig
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Post by engineerone on Feb 2, 2008 21:58:35 GMT
it's a compliment honest thing is even when i do scale drawings it is difficult for me to ensure i understand the proportions. ;D paul
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Post by craigmarshall on Feb 2, 2008 22:02:47 GMT
it's a compliment honest thing is even when i do scale drawings it is difficult for me to ensure i understand the proportions. ;D paul I know what you mean about getting the proportions right - that's why I've fallen in love with sketchup. Lets you see what it will look like without having to make it first! The lazy way out :-) Craig
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Post by Alf on Feb 3, 2008 9:59:34 GMT
I still haven't had a chance to really try out Phil's beautiful Pau Rosa shoulder plane, I almost feel like I don't deserve it!! I agree - you definitely don't. Send it to me and I'll find it a much more deserving home... ;D Cheers, Alf
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Feb 3, 2008 12:37:36 GMT
snip 5. Having a proper scale drawing and cutting list makes a lot of difference. Thinking through each step you're going to do in detail before doing it means you'll make fewer mistakes. snip I'd agree with that but a scale drawing is only a source of approximate measurements, unless you calculate them. Either way errors creep in. The answer is of course a full size drawing a.k.a (yes you've guessed it ) a ROD ;D cheers Jacob
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Post by Alf on Feb 3, 2008 14:40:15 GMT
Cheers, Alf
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Post by craigmarshall on Feb 5, 2008 19:38:05 GMT
I'd agree with that but a scale drawing is only a source of approximate measurements, unless you calculate them. Either way errors creep in. The answer is of course a full size drawing a.k.a (yes you've guessed it ) a ROD ;D cheers Jacob Okay - I'm interested. Where do I learn about "RODs"? I know it's a full size drawing, but what I fail to see is how they help the construction process, surely drawing something, and then working from that drawing is adding an extra step compared to working from measurements only. Doesn't that reduce accuracy? Craig
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Post by jasonb on Feb 6, 2008 17:16:02 GMT
You can use the rod to obtain measurements and angles that cannot easily be drawn. A rod taken directly from the place where the item is going to be fitted is also more accurate than measuring and redrawing, it can also include for out of square/plum walls & floors. Setting out this kitchen was more easily done directly on top of the template for example. Jason
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Post by engineerone on Feb 6, 2008 18:59:21 GMT
craig, i really have to be careful about entering this part of the conversation, since jacob is a real fan of the rod, but. personally having used a partial rod for my table, i can see its value, but actually i think they have more value for those installing and building built in furniture, since they allow you to mark all the details within a room to full size, and assuming you understand what you have drawn, then it makes it easier to make such furniture. so the same applies for windows for instance since you need to know that the window is the same all the way round, and you have a fair idea of your part sizes in terms of width and depth, you are then fitting in the lengths, and the joints needed. this definately makes things simpler. however, if you are planing up and then assembling a table, it may well be that the thicknesses are different from the design, in which case, a rod will have to be modified, and then you wonder at the value. where i think they are really valuable, is when you have odd shapes, so for instance where you want to put a cross rail against a tapered leg, it makes it easier to work out the angles and cut lines in such a way that all are the same. so i believe that there are pros and cons, but a lot depends on your training, if you have been properly shown how to do it, you would not want to live without them. without the training it really does seem a pita. but as i said before for built ins it is vital to have a form of rod so that you know where the plugs and water outlets etc are. paul
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Post by craigmarshall on Feb 22, 2008 7:41:35 GMT
Well - I know I've already posted a finished picture, but it wasn't very flattering and the unit wasn't quite finished, so here is the real finished pic. Eek - just realised (looking at that picture) that I left some card under one of the legs. Still need to trim the opposite leg - drat. Cheers, Craig
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Post by Dave S on Feb 22, 2008 8:01:09 GMT
Looks good, Craig. Still need to trim the opposite leg - drat. Err... I assume by 'opposite' you mean front-left or rear-right Dave
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Post by craigmarshall on Feb 22, 2008 8:04:02 GMT
Yes! ;D
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