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Post by engineerone on Oct 19, 2007 15:51:36 GMT
not for me, but what is the latest thinking on the quality of "general" chisels available? one of my client's has just bought some of the latest Marples, and is really disappointed by quality and longevity. i love it, cause i get more sharpening work, ;D but it is kind of self defeating. so i have suggested TWO CHERRIES, OR KARSTNER, think Blue spruce might be too fragile for site work, and LN too expensive, so what is in the middle?  ?? more importantly NEW made Looking at sizes from 8-30mm, mainly for site work. so what is out there and what does the team think ? paul  |
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Post by andy king on Oct 19, 2007 16:01:44 GMT
Hi Paul,
I'd take a look at the Bacho ones.
Plastic handles so will take a bashing, and the steel is good. Although bevel edged, the lands on the ones i've got are almost firmer chisels, they are that thick, so not ideal for some jobs.
Good alrounders though!
Andy
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Post by engineerone on Oct 19, 2007 16:19:34 GMT
actually andy i have some, and find them rather like a curate's egg, good in parts ;D thanks for the additional lead paul |
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Post by colincott on Oct 19, 2007 16:26:33 GMT
Hi Paul He could also try these as they did get a good review in one of the mags, plus a good price for site work |
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Post by Alf on Oct 19, 2007 17:28:24 GMT
It's probably safe to say 90% of modern supposed bevel-edged chisels are really firmers with the corners chamfered off, isn't it? I dunno, I don't have the site experience, but how often are real bevel-edges needed? Whatever, I'd have put the Kirschens in the middle I think. But Bahco steel has a good rep; s'what I'd try first for if I was looking for new beaters. Stanley have been poor for years and now, just like the planes, Record/Marples/Rubbermaid seem to have followed suite. Mind you, since I saw how our plumber treated his Marples, I've a bushel more sympathy for the manufacturers than I had before.  Cheers, Alf |
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Post by dom on Oct 19, 2007 17:48:20 GMT
Plumber, Chisels Get a new plumber Alf |
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Post by Alf on Oct 19, 2007 19:19:39 GMT
You've evidentally not beeen folowing the blog, Dom. Plumbers round here need native guides and elephant guns, never mind chisels.  Cheers, Alf |
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Post by dirtydeeds on Oct 19, 2007 20:58:17 GMT
you want to know about site use?
i use a 32oz framer to drive bacho 343s, they never give in
dont buy the cheaper bachos UNLESS you carry a mallet
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Post by engineerone on Oct 19, 2007 20:59:10 GMT
you didn't tell us your plumbers had to go through the eden project ;D you know why they don't have sharp tools, they could damage themselves and the work. many plumbing problems that we the public experience are because of bad cutting and cleaning up by the plumber. they use all those funny gadgets for cutting, whereas real engineers, use hacksaws etc. in addition to using proper materials for getting rid of the swarf, or wire edge. i notice even on plastics they often leave the rough, and then wonder why it leaks. as for the chisels them self, it is actually when you sharpen a number of different types that you notice. as colin cott knows i have a range now including some of the older ones my father had, which have not been sharpened for some time, and they look better than some of my more modern one. also, the blades on my stanley 55 are very fragile. will suggest the its ones, although actually, the lidl ones are often quite good, just not a big enough range.  paul |
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Post by noel on Oct 19, 2007 21:09:28 GMT
I've a set of 2 Cherries (polished version) and there're not that great. I've also got a decent set of Bahco chisels and I do like them and they hold a good edge.
I've also got 5 piece set of Lidl specials with wooden handles (2.99 or something) and once tuned up are surprisingly good.
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Post by andy king on Oct 19, 2007 21:21:34 GMT
I've had my hands on a set of the Screwfix Forge Steel ones as well, and they take a good edge.
They look very similar to Bacho blades, and feel as hard on the stone. I wonder if they are sourced from them? If they are Chinese, they are certainly far better than the budget B&Q type stuff that's for sure.
Certainly a good set of site bashers if the ones I have looked at are anything to go by.
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Post by bigdave on Oct 19, 2007 22:32:49 GMT
For good quality 'new' chisels, you can consider Ashley Isles - superb chisels in my opinion. Thinner bevel edges than the firmer like Kirschens, excellent steel that hold an edge for a good time, and nice large cocobollo handles.
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Post by Scrit on Oct 20, 2007 5:16:13 GMT
......they use all those funny gadgets for cutting, whereas real engineers, use hacksaws etc. in addition to using proper materials for getting rid of the swarf, or wire edge. i notice even on plastics they often leave the rough, and then wonder why it leaks. Real plumbers use pipe slices then deburr with a deburring tool - DIYers use hacksaws and don't deburr (which you can't do easily after using a hacksaw) The other thing is that real plumbers use harder copper tube, not the soft cr*p sold by B&Q. Incidentslly plastic pipes should be cut with a proper pipe cutter As for chisels, ebvery plumber I've worked with always seems to want to borrow mine........... which for site work are LIDL specials. As E1 says, not a good range, but cheap as chips and I don't mind others borrowing them too much. If they touch my Stanley 5001s, however, I 'll have them! Scrit |
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Post by colincott on Oct 20, 2007 5:21:22 GMT
If they touch my Stanley 5001s, however, I 'll have them! Scrit That is what I have for site work and think they are great  |
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Post by paulchapman on Oct 20, 2007 8:26:06 GMT
I bought a set of the the Lidl ones recently for rough work. I've been surprised at how good they are - even the backs were virtually flat on my set  Cheers Paul |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 20, 2007 9:58:01 GMT
not for me, but what is the latest thinking on the quality of "general" chisels available? one of my client's has just bought some of the latest Marples, and is really disappointed by quality and longevity. i love it, cause i get more sharpening work, ;D but it is kind of self defeating. so i have suggested TWO CHERRIES, OR KARSTNER, think Blue spruce might be too fragile for site work, and LN too expensive, so what is in the middle? ?? more importantly NEW made Looking at sizes from 8-30mm, mainly for site work. so what is out there and what does the team think ? paul What's the longevity issue? Sounds like either he butchers them so he ought to buy cheapo throwaways, or too much rough sharpening on a grindwheel, in which case he ought to stick to onsite sharpening with an oil stone. In normal use even a cheap chisel is going to last for years - I've still got my first ones bought 30 odd years ago, various; Stanley 5001s, marples blue handle, sundry "found" ones etc. NB I'm not a careful user or anything - when push comes to shove I'll use a good chisel to hack out mortar rather than making a trip back to the workshop for a cold chisel. cheers Jacob |
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Post by Alf on Oct 20, 2007 10:02:36 GMT
when push comes to shove I'll use a good chisel to hack out mortar rather than making a trip back to the workshop for a cold chisel. That's exactly what the plumber used his for... |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 20, 2007 10:21:24 GMT
when push comes to shove I'll use a good chisel to hack out mortar rather than making a trip back to the workshop for a cold chisel. That's exactly what the plumber used his for... Quite right too - tools are for using, not polishing ;D cheers Jacob |
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Post by engineerone on Oct 20, 2007 10:22:26 GMT
jacob i do understand your experience, but i have found that when i get the chisels back, they seem to be made of sponge, now no one works them so hard as to remove the hardness and temper of the chisels. also no matter how carefully i sharpen for him, they seem very unhappy about retaining the edge for very long. paul |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 20, 2007 10:30:56 GMT
Well, even the cheapest Axminster set, which I bought, are better than that. Does beg the question though - why is he not sharpening them himself? If you want to use a chisel you have to sharpen as and when necessary as the job proceeds or you are t*nyed. And if he did his own sharpening he'd take more care of them for certain cheers Jacob |
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Post by engineerone on Oct 20, 2007 11:32:55 GMT
not at my prices ;D ;D paul |
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Post by Enochknew on Oct 20, 2007 20:32:45 GMT
To think when I was a teenager a set of Marples Split Proof handled chisels were the thing to aspire to, and gave considerable bragging rights over your mates who could only stretch to the Marples Blue Chips. |
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Post by dchenard on Oct 21, 2007 2:22:18 GMT
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Post by engineerone on Oct 21, 2007 19:40:58 GMT
not sure how these images will come out, but they show the blade and body of one of my marples with wooden handles. i bought these over 15 years ago, but the sharp end is very fragile, even though it is sharpened to 25 degrees. the back was flattened very early when i had my first waterstones if this is what they were like then, after only a short usage on my pieces of oak, then i dread to think about the newer one     that's why i am interested in finding out about others. paul |
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Post by colincott on Oct 21, 2007 20:21:01 GMT
Hi Paul Now that you say that you sharpen them at 25 degrees, try them at 30 and see if that make them any better at holding an edge. |
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