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Post by mrgrimsdale on Aug 27, 2008 17:09:26 GMT
Nah I bet you are enjoying it really! They do look good.
cheers
Jacob
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Post by jfc on Aug 27, 2008 17:37:21 GMT
Thanks Jacob  I am doing the top and bottom vertical bar with a 50mm stop tenon rather than a through and wedged tenon . My thinking is i dont want end grain where there is more chance of water sitting and also with shrinkage in years to come the tenon could foul the door/frame . I have seen this happen a few times on old joinery . Do you think i would gain any strengh by making these through and wedged tenons ? |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Aug 27, 2008 17:47:44 GMT
Just had another look.
You mean the short ones at the end of the diamonds? I'd give them as long a tenon as poss to make them stiffer, but no point in wedging one end if the other end isn't also wedged into a rail.
But if they spanned through horizontally then wedging both ends would keep everything together a bit firmer.
cheers
Jacob
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Post by jfc on Aug 27, 2008 18:06:53 GMT
I'm planning on stop tenons top and bottom and the rest of the vertical bars will be butt jointed and doweled with one dowel into each of the diamonds glazing bars . The horizontal bars will be scribe jointed and doweled again with one dowel into each of the opposing glazing bars . On the side rails they will be wedged mortice and tenons . The idea of the butt and scribe joints is to have the most material i can to get two dowels into .
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Post by paulchapman on Aug 27, 2008 22:51:33 GMT
Looking good, Jason - a very interesting thread  Cheers Paul |
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Post by jfc on Aug 28, 2008 17:48:10 GMT
I only managed about half a day on them today . I was hoping to get one door glued up .   |
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Post by tusses on Aug 28, 2008 19:25:20 GMT
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Post by engineerone on Aug 28, 2008 20:32:22 GMT
not working mate  paul |
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Post by andy on Aug 28, 2008 20:41:03 GMT
not working mate paul My fault must try harder |
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Post by jfc on Aug 28, 2008 20:59:56 GMT
Yes working but i must lose a day a week sorting out admin stuff . Making sure the glazier knows what day i will be dropping in templates so he can book me in , checking when the timber yard has a new delivery so i get the pick of the best stock for the next job etc . The list goes on and every thing takes 20 mins . Before you know it the day has gone |
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Post by engineerone on Aug 28, 2008 21:06:24 GMT
bloody typical i meant that the film did not play paul |
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Post by jfc on Aug 28, 2008 21:17:07 GMT
Yes it did  |
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Post by andy on Aug 28, 2008 21:17:57 GMT
bloody typical i meant that the film did not play paul I added the you tube tag to trusses post but didn't check if it worked correctly On further investigation I found out that "Embedding disabled by request" by the author hence why it would not work As for Jason not doing a lot some w*nk*r keeps phoning him up to take the piss out of his crap saw   |
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Post by engineerone on Aug 28, 2008 21:37:40 GMT
you must wonder whether he got colin cot to scrub it with a wire brush to give the impression that it is old and well used ;D paul |
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Post by andy on Aug 28, 2008 21:52:14 GMT
I like the pictorial safety guide clearly displayed on the right hand side that obviously Jason does not take any notice of
and please don't start me off on the bent riving knife ;D
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Post by tusses on Aug 28, 2008 22:06:26 GMT
I and please don't start me off on the bent riving knife ;D see .. I didn't like to say ... but now that you mention it LOL not that I can talk about 'shop safety'  I am still being converted by Scrit-UK ;D getting out of my old Norm-US habbits LOL !!! |
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Post by engineerone on Aug 28, 2008 22:48:38 GMT
yes but andy we all know about jason and his bent knives  ;D paul |
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Post by big-all on Aug 28, 2008 23:24:44 GMT
bloody typical i meant that the film did not play paul I added the you tube tag to trusses post but didn't check if it worked correctly On further investigation I found out that "Embedding disabled by request" by the author hence why it would not work As for Jason not doing a lot some w*nk*r keeps phoning him up to take the piss out of his crap saw and i though i was the only one that kept forgetting to fit the riving knife/blade guard on my dewalt 742/elu flip saw |
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Post by jfc on Aug 28, 2008 23:30:02 GMT
Shhhhhhhh you will make Andy look like a tw*t for taking the piss out of a saw the trade love . ;D
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Post by jfc on Aug 29, 2008 20:47:05 GMT
Bit of a set back today as i walked into the workshop this morning and the timber i picked to make the stiles just wasnt good enough . I bought it as 5.7m thinking i could get straight bits out of it but looking this morning i decided no . Not to worry as it will get put into stock as it is already moulded and used for smaller work like replacement windows etc . Anyway i called the yard to get some milled up and they where already on a big job so i tried another yard . I went through there whole rack of red wood and even the white wood but nothing was straight Three racks in two yards and no straight 4x2 , whats going on Luckly the first yard called back and had managed to start milling me up some new stuff but even two of the eight i need are border line . I was helping the machinest ( shhhhhhhhh) and he said they only order in 2" sawn so he has nothing to play with . Looking at the sawn timber i could see his point . Anyway back to where i was a day ago and a couple of hundred quid richer  Morticing the stiles for the glazing bars ....again..........Yawn  Moticing the stiles ........ Woooohoooooo , tool time ;D  |
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Post by jfc on Sept 1, 2008 17:14:08 GMT
First dry fit .  and then the rest of the day tweaking everything . You can see from the picture that some of the bars are not quite right . The main problem i had is the amount of glue on my floor was making the rrrrrrr.... the rrrrrrrrrrrrr ..... the template uneven so i knocked up a level bench to work on .  That racked out wall is so handy  I think i have it sussed  At lunch time today i was thinking these had me beat but i got there in the end . |
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Post by engineerone on Sept 1, 2008 17:33:27 GMT
congratulations, that looks really good hope you remember how to do it again in the future ;D paul |
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Post by gazza on Sept 2, 2008 19:51:36 GMT
hope you remember how to do it again in the future ;D Ah, now theres the rub , posted twice before perhaps this is third time lucky Only joking Jason, looks good mate. Cheers, Gazza. |
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Post by seanybaby on Sept 3, 2008 0:11:11 GMT
Looking great Jason, How long would the whole door take to complete? (in hours)
CHeers
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Post by jfc on Sept 4, 2008 6:46:21 GMT
I'm not quite sure as i have been tying up lots of ends aswell but i do have another three to make and one pair has to be ready for tomorrow So i will let you know that one when i know . |
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I am doing the top and bottom vertical bar with a 50mm stop tenon rather than a through and wedged tenon . My thinking is i dont want end grain where there is more chance of water sitting and also with shrinkage in years to come the tenon could foul the door/frame . I have seen this happen a few times on old joinery . 
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