interesting tip

[engineerone]

as some of you may know i read a bunch of the american mags.,
including Fine Homebuilding, from taunton, the same people who produce fine woodworking.

latest issue has a couple of interesting tips.

1/ when working in an older house and you have to reproduce a piece of moulding, and you can't take it off the wall or skirting, then cut into it with a japanese style saw, making as narrow and straight a kerf as possible, then lay in a thin piece of card and scribe or trace the profile. thinking about this, it is more accurate than the gauges we use of plastic or metal fingers. afterwards, you just use filler to cover the saw line. neat and relatively simple also pretty cheap way to get the correct profile.

2/ just check what you are doing if installing mouldings, and if painting, then use mdf or other products rather than wasting real wood and causing problems with joint and paint movement.

paul

[mrgrimsdale]

Hmm, sounds like another amateur journalist having a bad day.
A really bad idea. He obviously just made it up in the absence of any good ideas.
Even worse idea is to use mdf . Using real wood for mouldings isn't "wasting " it for gawds sake. Recommending using MDF instead is an insult to woodworkers everywhere.
I've never been that impressed by Taunton Press "Fine" this n that. I've got one on windows and its really 2nd rate - worse than inadequate - actually wrong about lots of things. Amateur.
They do good photos though but that overall air of self importance always makes me laugh - blokes poking away at a bit of wood but with snooty expressions like ballet dancers.
"Fine" loada b****x ;D ;D

cheers
Jacob

[paulchapman]

I think that's a "No" from Jacob....... ;D ;D

[lynx]

Funny that Paul, I thought the same thing ;D

[Alf]

paulchapman said:

I think that's a "No" from Jacob....... ;D ;D

You think...? ;D

[Stree]

I think its a very good idea, thank you Paul

[Roger]

I don't think I'd sugar coat it as much as Jacob in his inimitable style but . . .

Working in older houses (U.K. type of old that is) as I do a lot, might just get me slung out on my ear with a big bill if I did that little 'trick'! I can just imagine doing it with a somewhat expensive chunk of antique type wood

As for the MDF suggestion - don't see much more comment needed for that one

[mrgrimsdale]

Paul, hope you not offended! It's not your fault and these mags do pretend to know what they are talking about.
Anybody remember in another place that Tony the plane-maker and his finger lickin TS technique? ;D ;D That was in magazine, can't remember which one. British Wood***king?
Anyway I like a good rant early in the morning it warms me up and helps to make the day.

cheers

Jacob

[engineerone]

jacob it is not that easy to offend me ;D

i passed on the tips as info, not a suggested ways of working.

however had mates who were asked by clients to paint solid oak kitchens and mouldings, i find it strange that in the younger houses people want to hide good wood where another product might well be more effective.

as for the moulding tip, in almost any i have seen, there is a place where you could hide such a working method. as i said, i find many of the available copyingjigs too thick for purpose, so this idea has some merit if it can be made to be hidden ;D

paul

[andy king]

mrgrimsdale said:

these mags do pretend to know what they are talking about.

Same old across the board generalsation b*ll*cks that caused the last argument on UKW. Still implies that every magazine worker doesn't know what they ae talking about.

pisses me right off!!!

[paulchapman]

andrewking said:

mrgrimsdale said:

these mags do pretend to know what they are talking about.

Same old across the board generalsation b*ll*cks that caused the last argument on UKW. Still implies that every magazine worker doesn't know what they ae talking about.

pisses me right off!!!

Don't worry Andy - there are plenty of us on here who know you and can vouch for the fact that you do know what you're talking about.

Cheers

Paul

PS Did you ever manage to get that saw finished?

[mrgrimsdale]

andrewking said:

snip
Still implies that every magazine worker doesn't know what they are talking about.

Don't take it personally Andy - I think we all realise that many know their stuff including yourself, but some definitely don't, let's face it. And the mags shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

cheers
Jacob

[Roger]

'Horses for courses' I guess . . . . I wouldn't dare use those methods for the reasons stated - but thinking about it I can see some odd situations where they just MAY be appropriate.

I always go back to the way the long dead masters did it and some of their well hidden, or never seen close up work certainly embraced the principles of that type of tip !!

As for magazines - I like some and loath others, but then you have to apply what they say to your own work and make up your own mind. You've never worked in a China Shop have you Jacob ;D ;D

[engineerone]

personally i take an open view, and think that all tips have a
basis which i might at some time find useful, so rather than discard out of hand i put them in my brain and maybe sometime in the future, can modify them to be of value.

andy don't take it to heart, jacob doesn't believe in anything produced after 1815 ;D and even then he is not sure that wellington won at waterloo

paul

[andy king]

Why shouldn't I take i personally Jacob, when your blithe sweeping statement implies all? I'm one of them within that statement, and I don't like being belittled by you or anyone else who doesn't know my qualifications or ability.
Do some reasearch before shooting your mouth off.

Anyway, to answer your question Paul, I did get the saws done, and also a set of Marples Blue Chip chisels for one visitor that were in the worst state I have ever seen. Having chip in the name, I think he felt the edges had to be equal, and they were. He admitted at least one he'd used as a cold chisel...

Andy

[mailee]

Used as a cold chisel Andy! Bloody heathen!

[mrgrimsdale]

You shouldn't take it personally because I haven't said anything at all about you and don't really know what you are on about. Complete nonsense.
I will very likely be rude about magazines again - as and when the occasion arises. I can only suggest that you don't read my posts if you find them so disturbing.

cheers
Jacob
PS just occurred to me - did you write the article in "Fine" Homebuilding?
In which case you would be entitled to take it personally - but it'd still be a crap article ;D

[paulchapman]

andrewking said:

Anyway, to answer your question Paul, I did get the saws done

Bet you were glad when that was over I found your demo on that large saw very helpful - I have a saw with some damaged teeth (although nowhere near as bad as the one you were doing) and your tips have given me the confidence to have a go at it. Thanks.

Cheers

Paul

[andy king]

Complete nonsense? I won't tell you what a complete ******** I think you are as far as i'm concerned! You did the same thing on UKW, making sweeping statements and saying it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, but making the same insinuation that all magazine writers are amateurs. Your last comment on UKW if I recall was that 'all magazines are written by amateurs for amateurs'.
It must be fantastic being the font of all knowledge as you obviously are, bing able to dismiss peopl so glibly. I'm not worthy to post on the same forum as you preside.
You seem to have this attitude that whatever anyone suggests, if it doesn't fit in with your scheme of things you dismiss it as complete rubbish and that yours is the only way. I remember your 'round bevel' sharpening as one. Now THAT was complete nonsense! Why can't people use a guide? Why can't people do it their own way without you ridiculing them?
That's your problem Jacob, you seem to believe that your way, or the traditional way is the only way. It isn't.
Much the same as the tip offered here. You dismiss it out of hand because it doesn't fit in with your ideals, yet it may be that someone finds value. I don't see you jumping in with a range of alternatives to the problem!
Get real Jacob and stop trying to cause a ruck all the time with your stupid ignorant comments! Your comments don't disturb me, but your arrogance certainly does.

I'm not going to be dragged into an argument with you, I've now made my feelings clear here and also to you when you emailed me last time, and no doubt you'll come back with some comment that is totally irrelevant, but hey ho!

Andy

[mrgrimsdale]

Can't be bothered with all this. Yawn. Hope you are feeling better now Andy.

BTW the moulding profile system which Paul pointed us to is no good (IMHO he said hastily ;D) mainly because it's not at all difficult to make a profile from the outside - without a saw, in fact easier. IMHO
Also, as Roger pointed out, you'd get thrown off the job if caught randomly sawing into classy bit of old moulding.
Also, making good the cut afterwards could be seriously problematic and could leave a permanent mark.

cheers
Jacob
PS but it's usually possible to extract a sample and take it back to the workshop which makes it even easier to copy IMHO

[dom]

Have I missed anything ?

[Roger]

A little flurry just passed through . . .

[dom]

Aah snowballs

[Alf]

More like handbags...

[Stree]

Jacob? Go on then. explain. How?

"extract a sample" Rip out a skirting board? You need to explain how you see this so I can understand the advantages over the method initially presented in this thread..
Nicely though.