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Post by jfc on Oct 2, 2008 20:23:59 GMT
Well how i do it anyway . I have a bay window to make that needs to comply with current building regs .so aswell as using spirals instead of sash weights i will also be buying in the gasketed parting bead and inserting brushes that run in a plastic carrier . The end result will be something like this .   |
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Post by thallow on Oct 2, 2008 20:35:51 GMT
So whats the secret to sitting & sealing double glazed units in a wooden frame?
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Post by Dave S on Oct 2, 2008 20:46:44 GMT
This should be interesting - enjoyed the last one  Dave |
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Post by jfc on Oct 2, 2008 20:48:23 GMT
Mastic
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Post by seanybaby on Oct 2, 2008 21:55:43 GMT
That squeezy five finger shuffle? |
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Post by jfc on Oct 2, 2008 22:10:30 GMT
I fear you are mistaking mastic for another word beginning with mas  |
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Post by dom on Oct 3, 2008 7:13:18 GMT
Massachusetts, masquerade, massive, mastoyd, master, Massif, masked ? Nope not getting it
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Post by jfc on Oct 3, 2008 11:58:49 GMT
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Post by sainty on Oct 3, 2008 16:01:35 GMT
Nice work jfc.
What size sections are they?
rgds
Stu
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Post by jfc on Oct 3, 2008 18:33:55 GMT
145mm x 32mm for the frames , cill 145mm x 45mm . The sashes are 65mm x 50mm and 95mm x 50mm for the bottom rails .
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 3, 2008 19:02:10 GMT
I see they are running the same thread over there.
Nobody has mentioned trad sashes in either place. They are a lot different. Single glazed with 3mm glass the norm. Properly made are draught proof (enough) without needing brushes or seals of any sort. No need to panic abt building regs just ignore them, say it's repair not replacement, go on about conservation etc. If there is a prob offer to put in secondary glazing.
BTW, DG is rarely worth the expense. Work out the heat loss calculations for yourself if you doubt this. It's about the least cost effective thing you can do to reduce your bills. All the other things are a better idea; insulation, condensing boilers etc.
One of the big advantages of trad windows (which goes largely unrecognised), is the de-humidifying function. Condensation runs down the glass and out through the gaps at meeting rails or cills.
cheers
Jacob
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Post by tusses on Oct 3, 2008 19:47:38 GMT
One of the big advantages of trad windows (which goes largely unrecognised), is the de-humidifying function. Condensation runs down the glass and out through the gaps at meeting rails or cills. cheers Jacob ;D I always remember Tommy saying that ! ;D |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 3, 2008 20:02:56 GMT
One of the big advantages of trad windows (which goes largely unrecognised), is the de-humidifying function. Condensation runs down the glass and out through the gaps at meeting rails or cills. cheers Jacob ;D I always remember Tommy saying that ! ;D Tommy Walsh? Was me that explained it to him (amongst other things)! cheers Jacob |
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Post by engineerone on Oct 3, 2008 20:06:20 GMT
for once i agree with jacob  in the flats in which i live we have central heating, but no dg, and i have never had any problems with condensation or mould etc growing, because unlike some of my neighbours i have not blocked off the air bricks, or close off the air movement gaps. those guys who designed houses for coal fire really understood things quite well. proper air movement it important. paul  |
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Post by jfc on Oct 3, 2008 20:09:50 GMT
There is quite a heavy fine for not complying with regs , i think it is about 10 K .
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Post by sainty on Oct 3, 2008 20:36:57 GMT
BTW, DG is rarely worth the expense. Work out the heat loss calculations for yourself if you doubt this. It's about the least cost effective thing you can do to reduce your bills. All the other things are a better idea; insulation, condensing boilers etc. cheers Jacob I was reading an article the other day that had DG as 9th in a list of 10 things to make your house more energy efficient. Eliminating drafts was high up the list though. rgds Stu |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 3, 2008 20:52:51 GMT
for once i agree with jacob snip Seem to hear that a lot - people being surprised to find that they agree with me. Must be the way I say it or something! cheers Jacob |
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 3, 2008 20:55:54 GMT
BTW, DG is rarely worth the expense. Work out the heat loss calculations for yourself if you doubt this. It's about the least cost effective thing you can do to reduce your bills. All the other things are a better idea; insulation, condensing boilers etc. cheers Jacob I was reading an article the other day that had DG as 9th in a list of 10 things to make your house more energy efficient. Eliminating drafts was high up the list though. rgds Stu Draft elimination amongst the cheapest and most effective, DG the most expensive and least effective. Depending on circumstances of course. cheers Jacob |
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Post by jfc on Oct 3, 2008 21:04:26 GMT
Still doesnt get away from the fact that if you replace your windows you HAVE to fit double glazing to comply with building regulations . You may get away with not doing it but it will get picked up when you try to sell your house and the fitter will be getting a phone call asking why these windows are holding up the sale of a customers house .
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Post by jake on Oct 3, 2008 21:10:05 GMT
I was reading an article the other day that had DG as 9th in a list of 10 things to make your house more energy efficient. I'll bet those stats assume you are replacing servicable single-glazed windows with new replacement double-glazed windows *just* for the extra energy efficiency,which is a bit of a red herring where the windows need replacing anyway, and the incremental cost of the DG units is really quite small. Not that I want to pop Jacob's carefully rationalised self-justification for killing the planet, man. |
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Post by modernist on Oct 3, 2008 21:52:26 GMT
Just to illustrate the pitfalls here is my triple glazed, argon filled (or was) K glass 0.28w/m2 patio door after less tha a year. I hope the warranty holds on the glass  First morning at 4 deg C happy days at least I'll be able to get the beads out with my pre-prepared levering groove a la german practice cheers Brian  |
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Post by jake on Oct 3, 2008 22:00:23 GMT
Woah, wtf happened there?
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Post by mrgrimsdale on Oct 3, 2008 22:52:07 GMT
I was reading an article the other day that had DG as 9th in a list of 10 things to make your house more energy efficient. I'll bet those stats assume you are replacing servicable single-glazed windows with new replacement double-glazed windows *just* for the extra energy efficiency,which is a bit of a red herring where the windows need replacing anyway, and the incremental cost of the DG units is really quite small. Not that I want to pop Jacob's carefully rationalised self-justification for killing the planet, man. Brian got there before me! If you factor in obsolescence its a different picture - DG units last 10/20 years, trad sashes last 100/200 years. It's a no brainer, you hardly need to do the sums. DG is an environmental fiasco as are a lot of other highly obsolescent modern building practices and materials, mdf, plastic, misused hardwoods from non sustainable sources etc. etc . Those big windows I'm doing would still be in perfect condition if they had been painted just 2 or 3 times in the last 50 years. With linseed oil pints of course - anything else the kiss of death. Am re-using the 130 year old glass so that could have a life span of 2 to 3 hundred years. DG glass is scrapped at 20 max. cheers Jacob |
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Post by jfc on Oct 3, 2008 23:04:51 GMT
I intend on putting DG in my house because my single glazed windows are like open fridge doors in the winter . The fact that my new windows have been sat in my garden for the last ten years is another matter |
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Post by engineerone on Oct 4, 2008 0:01:57 GMT
excuse me since when did 10 years old get to be new  is this jacob mathematics ;D paul |
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